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    35 Whelen powder

    Well, I'm back at my 35 whelen, you know how these things come in cycles.

    I just cast up a bunch of RCBS 35-200 boolits.

    My goal is to be able to thump a deer out to 200yds with this. Should be easy enough.

    I perused my 35 whelen load notes from last time and found I had not done much with this projectile.

    54gr of IMR4895 resulted in HORRIBLE accuracy.
    46-52gr of IMR3031 faired no better.
    52-57gr of Varget was bad also.

    Probably way too fast velocity estimates was around 2400fps or so.

    I looked at my books and the IMR website for powder suggestions and charge wts on where to start.

    I used QL to figure a charge wt and velocity of around 1900 fps for all of the below powders.

    These are the powders I'm considering.

    Varget 40-44gr get 1800-2000 fps
    Lilgun 27-32gr get 1800-2100fps
    H4198 32-34gr 1900-2000 fps
    IMR4895 40-44gr 1900-2050fps
    H380 44-48gr 1850-2050 fps

    My main concern at this point is "too little" powder in the case resulting in bad things happening.

    I will not use a filler.

    I also see it as using a faster powder vs a slower powder in the above choices. Faster being Lilgun and H4198, slower being the others. What's your opinion on fast vs slow powders for this cartridge?

    Anyone have any powder choices they use in the 35 whelen, even if not listed above?
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    200 RCBS(215 gr dressed) brass formed from milsurp 06

    IMR4227 27-1775 1.2 @50 (26-29 gr, 1682-1981)I stopped shooting these/ hangfires YMMV
    aa5744 30-1817 1.2

    Since you won't use a dacron filler these won't interest you but will list anyway

    IMR4320 49-2152 1.1 @50 2@100 my best so far (47-49, 2021-2152)+ dacron
    IMR 4198 33 2044 31-33-1927-2044+dacron
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    thanks swheeler

    does the dacron with the 4198 really make any difference?
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    Blammer, What alloy are you using?

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    25-27 H4227(no filler) and 250-280g bullets.Velocity 1650 or so and 1.5" or less 5 shot groups out of a unmodified Remington Classic 35 Whelen.Some groups under 1" but not enough to call it a MOA consistent rifle.

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    SWheeler - I had to remove your last post. Some hacker figured out how to embed spam in a post. I'm pretty sure you didn't do it.

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    The solid soft lead bullet is undoubtably the best and most satisfactory expanding bullet that has ever been designed. It invariably mushrooms perfectly, and never breaks up. With the metal base that is essential for velocities of 2000 f.s. and upwards to protect the naked base, these metal-based soft lead bullets are splendid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by waksupi View Post
    SWheeler - I had to remove your last post. Some hacker figured out how to embed spam in a post. I'm pretty sure you didn't do it.

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    Blammer; I'd give the H380 a shot
    Hell, I was there!

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    using regular WW's air cooled.
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    You may wanna try some 4064. I've been using it for years in my 35 Whelen with a 358009.
    This year...one shot 117 yds, dead deer.
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    Shooting the BRP 360-220 (PP) in my 35 Whelen, I got the best accuracy with IMR 4350 and it fills up the case pretty well (I forget the charge off hand and don't have my data in front of me). In fact, I ran out of case capacity and switched to Rel 17 in trying to reach 2400 FPS.

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    so with IMR4350 how much would you start with? I cannot find a starting point.
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    30 grains of 4759 under a 200 grain cast bullet will give 2000 fps. 13 grains of Red Dot will give close to 1500 fps and 17 grains of Unique will go 1700 fps. 4+ grains of Bullseye will go 900 fps and quiet 9, (under the 290 grain it will be even quieter). My barrel length is 23 inches so I can’t get them silent...but past 25 to 30 yards it’s less then that cap gun we spoke of. 15 grains of Green Dot goes 1600+ fps. 9 to 10 grains of 231 will break 1000 fps...all with the 200 to 250 grain cast bullets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blammer View Post
    so with IMR4350 how much would you start with? I cannot find a starting point.
    I am not speaking from personal experience, haven't been down the 4350 road yet, but 55 grains is where I'd start. Drop 357 Maximum a pm, he's using 4350.
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    Quote Originally Posted by swheeler View Post
    I am not speaking from personal experience, haven't been down the 4350 road yet, but 55 grains is where I'd start. Drop 357 Maximum a pm, he's using 4350.
    I gave a link in post 4 for that information by 357 Maximum using H-4350.
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    I knew someone gave it to me, sure enough it's a PM from 357max, so I have a starting point.
    Thanks guys.

    Now to load some and off to the range, when the wind stops blowing 30mph...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blammer View Post
    so with IMR4350 how much would you start with? I cannot find a starting point.
    Looking at my notes I started with 49.0 gns of IMR 4350. Below is my Chrono data starting at 52 gns:

    52.0 gns 2015 FPS

    54.0 gns 2079 FPS

    55.0 gns 2189 FPS

    (REL 17 has the same burn rate, but is less dense)

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    Quote Originally Posted by RugerFan View Post
    Looking at my notes I started with 49.0 gns of IMR 4350. Below is my Chrono data starting at 52 gns:

    52.0 gns 2015 FPS

    54.0 gns 2079 FPS

    55.0 gns 2189 FPS

    (REL 17 has the same burn rate, but is less dense)
    And how did it work out for you? And Thank You for the information.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JesterGrin_1 View Post
    And how did it work out for you? And Thank You for the information.
    Got good accuracy paper patching, but ran out of case capacity. That's why I switched to REL 17.

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