Anyone wanna go in on 80 tons of lead? lol

[wch]

If there's any serious intent to follow up, I'd be interested in a crate.

[Dan Cash]

With a foundry(s) close at hand, one or a couple of them will buy and roll the lead back out the door at their own profit. I am sure they also know how to "deal" with the government agents.

[LAH]

Approximately 62 crates would be around 1.28 tons per crate. Although some of the crates look larger than others in the photo given.

With DOD and DLA mutilation means to alter the item so that it cannot be used as originally intended. This could be as little as removing serial numbers, to drilling an additional hole or cutting an item into two pieces. I can't tell for sure in the photo's given, but in one photo (with the plastic wrap) it appears to be large blocks maybe like ballast weights for machinery??? DLA and DRMO usually have an inspector on location to insure adhearence to whatever guidlines.

The only thing that confuses me, is that usually if an item is to be sold off as scrap at a government installation, and the Shop Project Order of an end item says it has restrictions at the DRMO process that the item cannot be used as originally intended when sold as scrap, the installation usually performs whatever is needed to prevent the original intended use. For instance.... if you have a Cummins 6V53T engine block that is out of dimension within the cylender sleeve bores, then before it can be scrapped and sent to DRMO, a large hole that cannot be repaired is cut in the block. This may not be true at all installations, but has been for the ones I have worked at and especially at DEPOT level.

Smitty

Excellent post. Here's what I received for the auction company:

1st question & reply.

Please explain the term:
mutilationby the buyer prior to removal if allowed at the location or mutilation must be witnessed and certified by DOD Surplus personnel at the buyer s facility.

This is the page: http://www.govliquidation.com/auctio...&convertTo=USD

Reply.
Dear Sir,

Thank you for your email. Demil as Condition of Sale is a special group of items within the Demil BQ category. The government is selling these items as such because they do not have the man power to do the demilitarization of the items themselves. However, the government will not release the items until this is completed--therefore the customer is required to do the mutilation on site or within a specific geographic area. Each lot sold as Demil as Condition of Sale should have an attached Surveillance Plan, which details how the government requires the item to be demilitarized—including what machines can and cannot be used, how far the material can be transported for demil, etc. Once the demilitarization is complete, the customer can remove the property just like any other scrap sale—with the site weighing out the property that is removed from the site.

Essentially, mutilation is required because the government is selling the items for the scrap metal—i.e. they are selling irony aluminum, not a jet airplane. An EUC is required by the government so that they may track who possesses these items--as munitions, projectiles, and certain planes or engines should not fall into the hands of someone that could use such items against the US. Submitting the EUC and the Certificate of Destruction is your oath that the lot has been processed as scrap metal and not sold as something like a jet engine.

Failure to follow through with the EUC or Surveillance Plan, can result in DOD Surplus defaulting your sale and requiring payment of a default fee (25% of the bid price) as well as potential account suspension until such fee is paid in full.

We hope this information has been helpful. Thank you and have a great day.

Warmest Regards,

Customer Service Department
Government Liquidation
DOD Surplus, LLC
15051 N. Kierland Blvd, Third Floor
Scottsdale, AZ 85254

Ph: 480.367.1300
Fax: 480.367.1450

Email: info@govliquidation.com

Online Help: http://www.govliquidation.com/help/index.html

2nd question & reply.

I do understand Demil when it comes to weapons but I asked the question because
this lot was 158,500 pounds of Lead Without Foreign Attachment. How do you Demil
lead? I have a bullet casting company & I'm interested in the lead so I pose the
question. Thanks again & look forward to your answer.

Lynn & Barbara
Dry Creek Bullet Works


Reply.

Dear Valued Customer,

Thank you for your email. Mutilation means the items must be changed or
mutilated so they are not recognizable in their intended form. For example,
items would need to be cut, melted or shredded. The
mutilation process must be done prior to you removing the property and can
either be done on site or taken to another facility. Most sites have the
equipment to mutilate and have a mutilation plan they follow however the actual
site would have that information. To find out, you can submit a question to the
site by clicking on the "Click here to submit your question" link located on
the lot details page.

We hope this information has been helpful. Thank you and have a great day.

Warmest Regards,

Customer Service Department
Government Liquidation
DOD Surplus, LLC
15051 N. Kierland Blvd, Third Floor
Scottsdale, AZ 85254
Ph: 480.367.1300
Fax: 480.367.1450
Email: info@govliquidation.com
Online Help: http://www.govliquidation.com/help/index.html

So now we know HOW to contact concerning Mutilation.

[Beau Cassidy]

If I could get it for $150 which I highly doubt I would just take the old ragged F-350 up there with a substantial trailer and load all I could haul then tell them they could resell the rest. I figure all I would want to load is a few thousand lbs. But that is just me...

[John Wayne]

You would think they (the gov't) would look up this specific lot and tell you what needed to be done to accomplish mutilation. Of course they (the gov't) didn't answer the question very well. Who amongst us lives close enough to inspect the lead on the appropiate day. I'm 9 hours away. I'll bet if one of us called the base and asked they would escort you in for a visual anytime.

[Rooster]

Sounds like a boolit cookout in the Commonwealth to me. Do they allow camping on base? They did say it could be done on property. Do they have a range? J/k, maybe.

[John Wayne]

Ha Ha...good questions Rooster.

[mjwcaster]

The bids have gone from 10K to 63K in just a few hours today, with 2 more days left.
So much for cheap gov lead.
Matt

[mjwcaster]

I had just found this thread last night (early morning) and checked on the auction link, didn't notice that it opened :
10/17/2012 12:00AM Eastern Time.
Auction must have not met reserve or been re-listed for some other reason.
Did anyone keep track of it and know why it was re-listed?
But it is looking like real money for this lead now.
Matt

[dnmccoy]

Too bad...could have been the ultimate group buy

[Sasquatch-1]

The bids have gone from 10K to 63K in just a few hours today, with 2 more days left.
So much for cheap gov lead.
Matt

That is still less then 40 cents a pound. If that person gets it and has the proper infrastructure to move and dispense it he will still probably double his money.

[Baja_Traveler]

Funny - I see this same thread pop up about every year here - with huge responses by all, and it all comes to the same conclusion - logistically it cannot be done by a small operation. These auctions always look promising, then at the last minute a large industrial buyer swoops in, skyrockets the price and hauls it all off to make batteries or something...

[bowfin]

Funny - I see this same thread pop up about every year here

Why is that funny?

[cal50]

Its too bad they can not or will not be specific in exactly what is required to demilitarize.
The odds of us little guys getting back something we likely already paid for once with tax dollars is not likely made easy.

[mjwcaster]

Well 2 hours left and it just jumped to 75K.
Don't forget to add in the 10% buyers fee and your at 82.5K over 50 cents per pound, plus transport/mangling.
I'm betting it will get to 80/90 cents a pound at least, with buyers fee.

I seems to me that Sailboat keels are your best bet for cheap lead, if your willing to work for it.

Or maybe that there is no such thing as a free lunch.

Matt

[bowfin]

It ended up at $100,250.91, which with the 10% auction fee would be almost 70 cents a pound sitting there...minus the weight of the crates.

I don't mind seeing it go for that price, but something below $0.50 per pound would have been frustrating.

[mjwcaster]

So it just closed, 104,250.91 + 10% buyers fee = $114,676.00 = $0.73 per pound.
But the weight of the crates was included in the total, so probably more like 75-80 cents per pound, plus labor for mauling and transportation.
Makes the lead offers on this board for ~ $1.00 per pound seem like a screaming deal.

Edit-
Just noticed bowfins post, I was watching the auction and it adds 15 minutes to the end time for a last minute bid.
So it really ended at 5:15 EST. I'm guessing this is where the the price diff came in at between bowfins and my post.

Matt