I like the 358win a lot!I just picked up a used Rem7600 in a 243 that I hope to rebarrel into a 358win. I think it is the perfect black bear on bait rifle. If someone knows a outfit that works on pump rifles please let me know. Hart Barrels does most of my rebarrel work but they only do bolt rifles. The good thing about the 358 you can make into a 35rem with just a little less powder...
The 35 Remington (and the 358 Winchester) are like a couple of old plow Mules. They are strong enouth to get the job done and dependable as all getout, but they just arent sexy and fast enough for the sometimes "hunter" afflicted with magnumitis. Look at the rounds we KNOW are good, like the 35 Remington and .358 Winchester as well as the .280 Remington, 25 Savage, 257 Roberts and several other "oldies but goodies." There's nothing wrong with any of them! They just don't appeal to the sometimes hunter, and if a gun maker has slow sales of ANY chambering, they drop em in a heartbeat.
http://www.35caliber.com/2.htmlOriginally Posted by MJR007
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Thank you scb.
maybe we could just repackage it as the .35 R magnum, put it in a short action like the Marlin 16 1/4 barrel models and load factory ammo up to its full potential and "viola", hot seller.
My apologies for digging this thread up from the achieves.
HARDLY "factory" but probably the only bolt gun in 35 Rem I've seen in a LOT of years ......so I contacted a buddy......we hashed it over.....and it should arrive in another week or so.
I am curious to see how loads work out in it.
Small ring mauser, bolt, safety, trigger work supposedly done.
19 inch lightweight barrel
35 Rem
Butt plate, no stinking butt pad (I hate butt pads!!)
Trimmed to 1.8 its legal for deer here and while NOT great on the chamber/neck it wont get shot much that way. All workup loads can be shot full length then double check with the trimmed neck to make sure POI is the same but doubt more than 5 rounds a year get shot in it in the short form.......IF I have anything to say about it.
Just sharing........I might be back for ***********HELP*********** since I know diddly about Mauser actions except a **** load of guys like em. Not sure yet if its a 96 or......????. I CAN say I've always wanted to get my hands on a couple to see what the big hoo-rah was about them.
No more than we paid for it, it wont be a biggie doing some work if needed........as long as it IS correctable.
Pig in a Poke Purchase.......but I think it's COOL. Obviously built as a "lightweight" carry rifle. Should be a winner for the ranges intended. Indiana has a bunch of those ranges.
Taking donations in 35 Rem brass and dies..... (dang I just SOLD all that stuff last year.)
God Bless
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Indysteve, thats as nice for deer as they can get. I had a 95 action laying here for years waiting to turn it into a 35 but I just but a 7mm tube on it and it will stay on as long as I have the gun. Now to find another action!!! and wait for a 35 barrel.
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Yep, Amazing isn't it. Some of the locals here still bag turkeys with the old Montgomery Wards 12ga. Just like great grampa used to do.
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WHY? Probably 2 reasons: 1) not enough demand. #2), Costs more to make. The case head on a 35 Rem is not a "standard" case head diameter of a rimless centerfire rifle. The case head diameter of a 35 Rem is something smaller, in the area of .444". The "standard" non-magnum case head diameter of the .243/.308 Win/358 Win/300 Savage/30-06/270 Win is .473". It takes more machining (cost) to make a "35 Rem" diameter bolt face.
Low demand for a product, and higher manufacturing costs are not good issues for product success.
I just wish there were more options for a 358 Win chambering. It's almost criminal that Winchester doesn't make "classic" runs of their model 70 bolt in 358 Winchester. A 35 Rem bolt would be great, but I don't see it happening. Let's face it, how many Marlin 336's in 35 Rem do you see being shot (or made) these days? If the 35 Rem isn't showing up in Marlin's line up (a true classic pairing of the 336 and the 35 Rem like "peas and carrots"), it's not going to be showing up anywhere in production runs. The only place it might, I'm guessing, is from Ruger-but that would be a loooong shot.
The 35 Rem is a highly overlooked cartridge. It has the problem of getting the job done without recoil or pizzazz. That's old school, and not very marketable these days. Just look at all the marketing for the short mags. All pretty much DOA. Maybe Lipsey's could convince Winchester or Ruger to make 1000 of their bolt rifles into 35 Rem carbines. I bet they would sell out.
That's a slick rifle! Wish it was mine.My apologies for digging this thread up from the achieves.
HARDLY "factory" but probably the only bolt gun in 35 Rem I've seen in a LOT of years ......so I contacted a buddy......we hashed it over.....and it should arrive in another week or so.
I am curious to see how loads work out in it.
Small ring mauser, bolt, safety, trigger work supposedly done.
19 inch lightweight barrel
35 Rem
Butt plate, no stinking butt pad (I hate butt pads!!)
Trimmed to 1.8 its legal for deer here and while NOT great on the chamber/neck it wont get shot much that way. All workup loads can be shot full length then double check with the trimmed neck to make sure POI is the same but doubt more than 5 rounds a year get shot in it in the short form.......IF I have anything to say about it.
Just sharing........I might be back for ***********HELP*********** since I know diddly about Mauser actions except a **** load of guys like em. Not sure yet if its a 96 or......????. I CAN say I've always wanted to get my hands on a couple to see what the big hoo-rah was about them.
No more than we paid for it, it wont be a biggie doing some work if needed........as long as it IS correctable.
Pig in a Poke Purchase.......but I think it's COOL. Obviously built as a "lightweight" carry rifle. Should be a winner for the ranges intended. Indiana has a bunch of those ranges.
Taking donations in 35 Rem brass and dies..... (dang I just SOLD all that stuff last year.)
God Bless
The Remlin web sight currently shows the 336C as available in the 35 Remington chambering, there are plenty of good Marlins around if a guy really does want a rifle in 35 Remington!
I wouldn't trade my 336A 35 Remington for ANY bolt rifle!
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In total agreement on the lack of both the 35 Rem and even more so the 358 Win round.
The wildcat I made from a 350 Rem mag short duplicates the 358 Win and was the goal from the start. It's amazing in a deer round.
This one appears to be destined to be fully tested and loads worked up for to end up in the hands of my buddy's 15 year old grand son to help continue on our hunting heritage. While one I too would like to have kept, I can come up with other options. For a slender young man, this should be a real winner for decades to come.
Funds dictate not doing so for some time but while my wildcat is on a mag bolt face, another on a standard bolt face also keeps swirling in my noggin. A slightly short necked, (compared to the 350JR), shoulder set back, 284 Win (6.5x284 brass usable since cut off .375") necked to .358 would probably not show a noticeable change without chrony from the longer necked 350Jr I completed. Capacity shouldn't be much more than a couple grains difference. The deer won't notice either.
Several are shooting the 358 Win short (358 Hoosier) with good success ...but knowing me, following someone else's path simply takes half the fun out of it all......even if it works great.
There is "talk" of IN going towards standard rounds allowed and while I'll have to see it to believe it, I certainly could be mistaken. That said, the wildcats will still be more fun and still be as effective.
Thanks for the replies
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Steve
We've built several .35 Remington bolt guns on the fine M96 Swedish Mausers, and they've all shot very well with minimal alterations to the actions. As a matter of fact, we have one in the works now with a 20" barrel and Mannlicher-style stock...
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As far as I know, Savage will chamber a rifle in any SAAMI cartridge for a fee. That was posted on their website awhile back.
Currently casting and loading: .32 Auto, .380 Auto, .38 Special, 9X19, .357 Magnum, .257 Roberts, 6.5 Creedmoor, .30 WCF, .308 WCF, .45-70.
I just did an 1895 Chilean this fall in 35 Rem. It works wonderful, light and handy. So far shoots good.
Also there are a number of barrel companies who make pre-fit barrels and/or customs to fit a Savage bolt gun. A few years ago I bought the tools for barrel swaps and received my edumucation over on the Savage Shooters forum. Been doing swaps ever since.
My latest was a Savage short action left hand I bought for $289, a stainless flat back in 243, swapped it to 6mm BR Norma. It shot fine but could not feed rounds from the magazine so I had to single feed it. I just swapped it to a stainless Axis barrel I bought off the net and now it is a 22-250 running one grain below max and putting three @100 yards into .230”.
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factory ammo sucks, is that helpful? I had to clean up a cousins 141 in 35 rem. it was supposed to be sighted in for 100 yards, but at 30 yards it was hitting 18" off. and it wasn't penetrating the railroad tie any better then a 30-30
In a word, no, it's not helpful.. The ammo isn't why your alleged cousin's alleged 141 wasn't shooting where you wanted it to.
As much as I am a fan of the .35 Rem., the ammo makers are probably not. It has an almost unique base diameter, which means more setup when doing a run of brass. It also requires a unique bolt face, which doesn't please the rifle manufacturers.
Long ago I stocked up on brass for my Dad's last deer rifle, a Marlin 336.
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Cognitive Dissident
I like the .35 Remington and have a late 1940s vintage Marlin and a Remington 141 in .35. I also have a Savage 99 Brush Gun in .358, which is a better rifle than either of the .35 Remingtons and easy to load to .35 Remington ballistics. That would be my guess why there aren't more bolt guns chambered in the .35 Remington, easier to get a .358.
I still love the .35 Remington though. Old school cool at its finest.
i have read several articles about why 35 calibers don't make it they just don't sell for what ever reason. all admit it seems like the perfect deer cartridge but people just wouldn't buy them.
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