2400 loads for 45 acp?

[flounderman]

I used 2400 in a 45 acp, with I believe a 260 gr bullet for a 45 colt, shot as cast. I saw they were listing a load for a 45 rimmed using 2400. load seemed more powerful than a normal 45 acp. 2400 will work, but maybe needs a 250 gr bullet. You do want a 30lb spring with this load because it develops substantial recoil.

[Char-Gar]

I believe it was Pilate that said.."What is truth?". Folks have been trying to answer that long before Pilate and long after as well.

There are a few things everybody can agree on like water runs down hill and Austin is the capitol of Texas. Those are objective truths.

You are quite right, that when we move beyond certain few objective truthes, truth becomes a matter of perception. We take in the external world, filter it through our brain with all of it's emotions, experiences and prejudices and what comes out of the filter we call our "perception".

I would never call my perception truth or objective fact. I prefer to label it as my opinion based on my experience.

Is there something called "eternal and everlasting truth"?. Well I think there is, but when we go there, a move to religion, metaphyics and philosophy is called for.

I suppose there is scientific truth, that can be replicated 100% of the time, but 100% of those who try and replicate it, but there is nothing on this board that fits that category. That takes us back to perception and opinion, which was my point in the first place. These should not be labeled as facts.

[44MAG#1]

One can use 230 gr bullets up to 255 like the magma eng . mold. Thereis no use to use a load that will need a strong spring. I used one because of my usage of power pistol and the 950 fps or so loads with the 255 gr Magma.
A stock spring will be okay.
Start low and going up 2 tenths grain at a time until the slide seems as snappy as with factory 230 gr hardball and the powder should clean up some. IT WILL NOT BE AS CLEAN AS A MUCH FASTER POWDER MORE SUITED TO A 45 ACP but will do okay.

[MikeS]

While not 2400 I have loaded blue dot which is slightly faster than 2400, and noticed something interesting. When I loaded it in a load for my 1911 and crimped it with the usual taper crimp the load had very little recoil, and LOTS of unburned powder came out of the barrel. When I used the same load but with a boolit that had a crimp groove, and gave the cartridges a fairly heavy roll crimp (loads for my Smith 1950) the rounds had a fairly heavy recoil, and very few if any unburned powder! Just goes to show how much difference a crimp can give. So from this experience I would say that 2400 really wouldn't work good in loads for an autoloader, but if you're loading for a revolver either using moon clips, or AR brass it could work ok. I mention moon clips or 45AR brass simply because the 45ACP cylinders for single action revolvers still headspace on the case mouth just like an autoloader, so can't use a roll crimp, but the Smiths or any revolver using moon clips headspaces on the rim formed by the moon clip.

[Char-Gar]

I have used 2400 in both the 45 ACP and 45 Auto Rim cases in good strong post war Smith and Wesson DA revolvers.

A few years back Glen Fryxell sent me some 452423 hollow points he cast from an original Ideal HP mold. I pushed these to 1,150 fps over a good dose of 2400 with great accuracy and the bullets expanded very well.

I liked these so much, I had Buckshot hollow point my original Ideal SC mold (452423).

I won't list the charge as I don't want to be responsible for what folks do with such things.

But, in the 1911 pistol, no way with 2400. It will work in some limited circumstances, but why?

[GT27]

So the general consensus is yes it can be used for the 45acp in certain situations,and this one being that the OP has a supply of it, but its not a ideal powder due to case capacity,burn rate?I'm pretty sure this was his original question... GT27

[35remington]

See my comments on page 2 of the linked thread that is found on page 1 of this thread. In the autoloader you can get the same speed using half as much of a more suitable powder.

While I don't particularly care how supposedly "dirty" some powders are (because most suitable powders, no matter how old the formulation, aren't that dirty) the catch is the word "suitable."

Here we are getting outside 2400's range and yes, it's rather incomplete burning at the 800 to 850 fps of standard ball duplication loads in the 45 ACP. It's sorta like using premium gas in a Ford Escort. It will work, but it's a waste of resources. So yeah, 2400 fits the description above of "less suitable" for the 45 ACP autoloader.

Easily.

For revolvers, it has application with the heavier bullets. Ain't so great with 230 grains and under even in revolvers.

[felix]

That's right, Charles. Pilot did not know the truth even when he was staring at it directly. That is exactly why I will never, hopefully that is, entertain any earthly court proceeding. I will NEVER agree with any kind of judge's orders. Swear to the truth? It cannot be defined, right? ... felix

[Char-Gar]

Felix.. In court we swear to tell the truth. That means we swear not to lie. That does not mean we are swearing our perceptions and experiences are absolute existential truth. It the job of the attorneys to test those perceptions and experiences through direct examination and cross examination.

[felix]

Those court guys don't even know or even care for the truth, Charles! They like to deal with facts and only facts which is only THEIR opinion anyway. Their job is to convict or not, making the facts de-facto irrelevant to the truth. Pilot knew that and that's why he went with the crowd in order to maintain peace among his "slaves". ... felix

[Char-Gar]

Felix..our American legal system was designed to be an "adversarial" system with each side advocating for their point of view and their perception of what is true. The two forces grind against each other with the judge or jury deciding where the truth lies. I am familiar how these things work in other countries and our system is the most fair and has the best chance to discover the truth. No, it is not perfect by a long shot, but it is the best on earth given the earth is populated with human beings. We will have to wait until Christ comes again to have a better system.

[felix]

Amen, Charles! ... felix