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Thread: From Handloads.com "Experiences with a .32".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain O View Post
    The .32 ACP can be fired in a revolver chambered for the .32 [S&W Long or] H&R Magnum or .327 Federal Magnum. Since it is a semi rimmed cartridge, you will have to pick the empty cases from the cylinder (a royal pain). I can't see how much value that would have, unless the .32 ACP ammunition is your only option...
    I have a little experience with that, since we once had a case come through in which an FMJ bullet came through with "skid marks" characteristic of being shot from a revolver.

    A Colt Cobra revolver would extract the semi-rimmed empties. Velocity of the Winchester 71-grain FMJ .32 ACP was less than 600 fps from the 2" barrel, vs. 878 fps when fired from a Colt M1903 pocket hammerless in the lab collection. Accuracy was poor, in the order of 3" groups at 50 feet, approximately double that of ordinary 98-grain LRN Winchester factory loads for the .32 S&W Long fired at the same time.

    The evidence revolver occasionally misfired with .32 ACPs because the thinner 0.045 rim thickness vs. 0.055 for the .32 S&W Long and Colt New Police created a condition of excessive headspace when .32 ACP ammunition was used. The steel firing pin bushing staked into the light aluminum alloy frame had also been peened loose and set back about 0.01" from apparent, repeated setback of the .32 ACP cartridges against the recoil shield of the Colt Cobra revolver.

    So while it might "work" as an emergency expedient, performance is inferior to using the ammunition for which the revolver is intended.
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    This 32 ACP-in-32 SWL question piqued my curiosity a bit. I tried placing 32 ACP rounds into the charge holes of my S&W Model 16-4 (32 Magnum). They did fit, and pressing on the revolver's extractor rod did lift them out. I suspect that if fired and ejected as I normally do--with cylinder's back end pointed at the ground, middle and ring fingers of left hand through the cylinder window, and thumb pressing down the extractor--that empties would extract & eject. NOT going to test-drive the concept with live fire, though.

    I gave the entire thread a re-read just now, and will add to the text my use of a sizing die as a taper-crimp applier in straightwall handgun cases. I have done so as follows--with decapping assembly removed, I screw the die in just far enough to "kiss" the case mouth and take the bullet-seating flare out. This prevents any possible squeeze-down of bullet diameter, which seems likely with most cast bullets if the loaded cartridge is run fully into the die.

    I would submit that a lot of autopistol leading problems get caused by over-enthusiastic application of taper crimp, and/or by seating a cast bullet at the same time a taper crimp is being applied. Seating a cast bullet MUST be a discrete step after fully seating the bullet, otherwise you are compressing the case while the bullet is still being inserted downward. The results will be squeezed-down bullets and varying finished OALs. I do discrete steps with j-word bullet seating/taper crimping also.
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    Now that I have my little Kel-Tec P32 back in my hot little hands after the factory replaced the barrel and slide I am reconsidering what I am going to feed it. I have done a fair amount of experimentation with stout, Ranch Dog style loads in the past but that is probably why it had to go back in the first place. I think something changed in the way the slide and barrel fit together, changing POI. In any event, the cavernous chamber with a huge unsupported area and thin .32 Auto brass is a very good reason to stay away from the hot stuff.


    Previously I was carrying it with 2.1 grains Hodgdon Titewad under a 76 grain lead flat point, good for a measured 886 fps. Titewad is a very fast powder similar to Red Dot, and I think I am going to reserve it for practice loads. I'm currently thinking that a somewhat energetic FMJ, either factory or reload, might be the best choice here. Or, the Lyman 311252 or 313249 at 800 fps or so. Basically .32 S&W Long performance wise. I really love this pistol and actually shoot it alot. What say you?
    Currently casting and loading: .32 Auto, .380 Auto, .38 Special, 9X19, .357 Magnum, .257 Roberts, .30 WCF, .45-70 Gov't.

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    In my Beretta 3032 INOX and Walther PP I shoot 5.5 grains of Alliant #2400 with Accurate 31-087T. Use Winchester cases and Federal 200 primers at 0.95" OAL. Get 825 fps in the INOX Tomcat with 2.4" barrel, 939 fps in the Walther PP with 3.9" barrel. Snappy recoil and ejection, but ejected cases look "normal." YOUR mileage may vary, but the Beretta and Walther support the case well and I've run hundreds with no issues.

    UPDATE Oct. 2016:

    Beretta Tomcat eventually did fail and the frame cracked after about 2000 rounds of heavy bullet handloads.
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    Good looking rounds there. I need to do some penetration testing with FMJ and boolits. I have an Accurate mold that makes sweet 76 grain flat point slugs, I just wonder if the big flat nose is going to limit penetration at modest velocity.
    Currently casting and loading: .32 Auto, .380 Auto, .38 Special, 9X19, .357 Magnum, .257 Roberts, .30 WCF, .45-70 Gov't.

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    Your Accurate bullet is almost identical to the one loaded by Buffalo Bore, which in gelatin out penetrates hardball because it continues straight and does not exhibit the 180-degree "flip" continuing base first, that Euro FMJ does.

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    Buffalo Bore 75-grain FN +P
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    Sellier & Bellot 73-grain FMJRN
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    Wow, that is impressive! 900 fps = complete penetration through multiple layers of denim and 14.5" of gelatin.
    Currently casting and loading: .32 Auto, .380 Auto, .38 Special, 9X19, .357 Magnum, .257 Roberts, .30 WCF, .45-70 Gov't.

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    Looking to try Lyman #313249 in the place of Accurate's 31-087T. Your load has ~.180" of seat depth, so I need to do a Tale Of The Tape comparison with Lyman's Manual specs and gauge things out for this load of 2400 in my Walther PP. At Lyman's suggested OAL (whatever it is), #313249 fed very well for me using conventional weights of BE, 231, and Unique/WSP or CCI caps. Of course, I could also DO IT RIGHT and get the 31-087T mould. That is a superior design for the 32 ACP, and would be no slouch in 30 Mauser or 30 Luger as well.
    I don't paint bullets. I like Black Rifle Coffee. Sacred cows are always fair game. California is to the United States what Syria is to Russia and North Korea is to China/South Korea/Japan--a Hermit Kingdom detached from the real world and led by delusional maniacs, an economic and social basket case sustained by "foreign" aid so as to not lose military bases.

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    What are you guys sizing your .32 Auto slugs to? I was sizing to .313 as my previous barrel was loose as a goose. The new one is a lot tighter, I can see that just from pressing the nose of a boolit into the muzzle. I know factory FMJ is usually .309 or .311. Maybe try .311 first?
    Currently casting and loading: .32 Auto, .380 Auto, .38 Special, 9X19, .357 Magnum, .257 Roberts, .30 WCF, .45-70 Gov't.

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    Throat on my Walther PP is a "fat" .310", so I size bullets to .311"/confirmed. Cases are expanded with a .309" expander spud.
    I don't paint bullets. I like Black Rifle Coffee. Sacred cows are always fair game. California is to the United States what Syria is to Russia and North Korea is to China/South Korea/Japan--a Hermit Kingdom detached from the real world and led by delusional maniacs, an economic and social basket case sustained by "foreign" aid so as to not lose military bases.

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    After reading all the great info i'm glad I didn't pass on the Ruger Single Six in 32 H&R. It's accurate and seemed like it would be a good bunny buster!

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    Last night I resized some of my 76 grain Accurate slugs to .311. They actually seated more easily in the cases than before at .313 and all passed the plunk test no problem. The pistol shoots .311 j-words quite well so I would think boolits would do even better. Loaded them up with 1.7 grains Titewad and Federal primers at .948 OAL, hope to try them out tonight.
    Currently casting and loading: .32 Auto, .380 Auto, .38 Special, 9X19, .357 Magnum, .257 Roberts, .30 WCF, .45-70 Gov't.

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    Well, my 76 grain slugs shoot just fine with Titewad and Bullseye, unfortunately the point of impact is 1-2" low whereas it is dead on with 71 grain FMJ. Rather odd that it is shooting lower with a heavier bullet, usually the opposite is true. I wonder if I should try a heavier bullet, maybe something around 85 grains? I really enjoy shooting this pistol and would hate to be stuck feeding it J words.
    Currently casting and loading: .32 Auto, .380 Auto, .38 Special, 9X19, .357 Magnum, .257 Roberts, .30 WCF, .45-70 Gov't.

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    My first handgun was a nondescript .32 S&W Long caliber one. I do not remember the brand, but it was more of a Saturday night special. That was many years ago though. I used to go rabbit hunting with it and it worked pretty well. A jack rabbit would drop right there when hit. But with a .22LR the jack rabbit would likely keep on going. Later I managed to get a target semi-auto pistol chambered for S&W .32 long. But it was designed for the wadcutter bullets. But it was sure a sweet shooter though. Someone talked me into selling it to them and I still regret it though. I now have a nice H&R revolver in .32 Mag, and it has a nice 7.5 inch barrel on it. It shoots better than I can.

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    Accurate now lists 31-090B which is 0.5" long, with Buffalo Bore nose shape, 0.2" meplat, crimp groove 0.26" back from meplat for overall cartridge length 0.95" in .32 ACP brass.


    SEE UPDATE WITH VELOCITY TEST DATA BELOW!

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    @All,

    NOE just ran a group buy on 314-75-RF Ranchdog molds. If you are interested, they may have a few extra for sale. I believe this is the same bullet that Buffalo Bore buys to make their 32 ACP +P rounds with. This bullet is a great design that can make the 32 ACP a viable choice for SD.

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    These bullets can be safely loaded up to about 1050 fps using 2.5-2.7 gr of various fast powders like W231/HP38, Bullseye, Unique, and Universal. The only big downside is the OAL of these rounds will likely be something less than ~0.915 (BB is ~0.890). This makes rimlock more likely in certain guns and magazines. If you do not want to cast your own, they are available from Rimrock.

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    UPDATE August 21, 2016

    .32 ACP TESTS

    Ammunition _______________Beretta Tomcat 2.4”____Beretta M1935 3.4”

    Fiocchi 73-grain FMJ_____________848, fps, 32 Sd________917 fps, 11 Sd
    Buffalo Bore 75-grain LFN_________883, fps, 6 Sd_________997 fps, 7 Sd

    Accurate 31-087T, 5.6 #2400______825 fps,15 Sd_________926 fps, 14 Sd
    Accurate 31-090B, 5.2 #2400______821 fps, 23 Sd________878 fps, 20 Sd
    Acc. 31-090B, 3.0 AutoComp____915 fps, 16 Sd______999 fps, 14 Sd
    Acc. 31-090B, 2.2 Bullseye________786 fps, 11 Sd________851 fps, 14 Sd

    UPDATE OCT 2016

    - Beretta Tomcat users beware that frame of my pistol cracked after about 2000 heavy loads!

    STEEL FRAME Beretta M1935, Colt M1903 Type III, CZ27 and Walther PP continue on with them happily.
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    See also:

    http://castboolits.gunloads.com/show...curate-31-087T

    UPDATE 14 May 2017 - New bullet from Accurate for .32 ACP and 7.62x25mm:

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    I fell in love with the .32 as a child. A friend's dad had a bring back CZ 27 that he let us shoot. Then later a Ruger .32 mag, and a FN 1922. My current one is a surplus Walther PP 7.65 that is crazy accurate with Outpost's 95 gr flat noses. I'm going to try them on racoons this weekend. BIL is coming in from California so he will want to burn up some ammo!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Texas by God View Post
    ... My current one is a surplus Walther PP 7.65 that is crazy accurate with Outpost's 95 gr flat noses...
    For those unfamiliar, this is the Accurate 31-095T which Thomas is talking about and it feeds reliably in the Walther PP, Colt M1903 and Beretta M1935. Gets 870 fps with 5.2 grains of Alliant #2400 from 3.4" barrel and 900 fps with 2 grains of TiteGroup or 3 grains of AutoComp.

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