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    The Rifle H&R Never Knew They Had ...

    H&R Pardner Shotgun - 28ga
    TJ's Enterprise 25-35 liner, 1:10 Twist
    25-20 WCF Chamber Reamer
    H&R 22 Hornet Extractor
    Front Globe - Swiss Pin Post
    Long Ranger Vernier Rear Sight
    Pope Palm Rest

    and one has a nice SS Gallery and Range Rifle
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    Last edited by John Boy; 03-28-2007 at 03:11 PM.
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    John Boy;
    Interesting. Cute. Interesting.
    Where can one find those things? Might like to do a bit of that myself - depending on what liners are available.
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    PPpastordon, the considerations are: The H&R shotgun barrel will have to be the correct size for the caliber liner and the pressure of the final rifle caliber has to be less than that of the shotgun.

    The best liners are made by TJ's Enterprise. No website, so call and get the liners available:
    TJ's Enterprises
    3652 Neltner Rd
    Alexandria, KY 41001
    (859) 635-5560

    Reamer ... your choice of vendor
    Extractors ... Numrich, the price is much cheaper than ordering from H&R
    Any front globe. I got mine from Jeff's Outfitters
    Vernier, your choice dependent on price. Mine was from Dixie Gun Works
    Palm rest ... Jeff's Outfitters has 2 styles. I like the Pope.
    Optional: Brass casting for a Schuetzen butt plate. I'm looking
    Add: Lathe and milling machine, proper cutters, steel sleeves and 4 Minute Epoxy ... That's It!

    PS: The 'new' rifle breech locks up like a TANK HATCH!

    The next one's are going to be a 38-40 and a 44-40 when time permits
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    Shotgun pressures run from less than 10,000 to maybe 13,000. Not many calibers in that range, maybe .38 S&W or the like.

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    I have been dreamin of a NEF in 25-35 and 25-20. This is just getting me thinking about it more, thanks.

    I think if I do the 25-35 I will stub a 410 barrel and use a 26" blank for it, the 25-20 maybe the way you did yours. How much, besides the shotgun cost, did this run you, if you dont mind me asking?
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    It might be better to buy an H&R or NEF RIFLE and send it in to get a shotgun barrel for it; I seem to recall the frames are made of different metal, or at least heat treated differently.

    Robert

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    Doug, cost was $389 without the cost of the reamer ... that was free.

    Robert, tis true in all respects, except there is a 'gotcha' ... http://www.hr1871.com/Support/accessoryProgram.aspx
    H&R doesn't sell barrels outright ... they have to be fitted at the factory.

    I could have gone this way - I have the Buffalo Classic with a fitted 38-55 barrel also. But I chose to go this route just to have another 'complete' rifle

    PS: Took it to the range today for it's Maiden:
    CCI SR Primer
    5gr Unique ... for gallery load
    Meister 85gr Bullet
    0.002 neck tension ...
    velocity - 1170fps
    25yds - X's and tight 10's
    50yds - 1 1/2" group ... our gallery match range (offhand with 25 ring Schuetzen targets)
    100yds - tough on this little peanuts at this distance with 11mph wind - 8" group
    Last edited by John Boy; 03-30-2007 at 02:32 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrounger View Post
    Shotgun pressures run from less than 10,000 to maybe 13,000. Not many calibers in that range, maybe .38 S&W or the like.
    The original H&R with the same frame and heat treatment as the shotguns was factory chambered for .357 Magnum, .357 Maximum, .44 Magnum, and 30-30.

    The newer 'rifle' frame is only needed for 'modern' high intensity rifle cartridges.

    All H&R singleshots have a lot of metal around the chamber as they were originally sized for large diameter shotgun cartridges. Also, consider that the above 'pistol' cartridges are only loaded to 36,000 psi and the 30-30 to 40,000 while its head diameter is even small than the .44 Magnum so they both produce almost identical head thrust.

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