How do I get rid of fliers in my groups

[Nardoo]

G'day Mick,

That is right, it is the big gum trees that are the trouble. I just go straight through small trees like this snow gum. The stag that was trying to hide behind it did not know I was carring my .338. Fixed him, eh?



The young fellow loves to wind me up with these messages. He actually picked up two small cast antlers together at a good wallow. He was very proud of himself but I pointed out it must have been a pretty ugly deer as both antlers were from the right side!







Nardoo

[Nardoo]

Thanks to all for the great advice. I will try everything except the nose punch. I abhor violence.

Nardoo

[JohnH]

It is obvious that your barrel is not bent properly. You can do this with one of two methods; First is to find two trees growing very closely together. Slip the barrel between them and apply pressure. You can bend barrels in any desired direction with this method. The second method, while not as precise, will be completely understood by all who observe....While at the range, with gun unloaded after firing, grasp rifle by muzzle and whack the shooting bench untill the rifle responds with proper groups. If the rifle breaks before giving accepable groups, return to maker, demand a full refund as it is obvious that their equipment is defective as it won't group and breaks when attempting to adjust it. I've done this with several scopes that wouldn't hold zero and produced those pesky fliers.

[3sixbits]

You have entered the realm of why we all follow this hobby, the little intangibles that your pictures show. At first I thought "He's pulling the trigger to hard", but on closer examination I now realize, it's wind effect groups, notice how the tips kinda point in the same direction? It's these little things like this that often spell the difference between success or failure at the range. Never the less keep up the quest, "Your getting there"!!!

[Newtire]

Great Nardoo...Just do like I have done with some boolits that just don't seem to shoot. Since I know it can't be me or my loads as I have way too much experience etc. etc., I have been shooting "one-shot" groups (versus those silly 3 & 5 shot groups you see posted all the time here). See how the size shrinks when ya try it.

[OLPDon]

Nardoo
These guy's don't want to tell you, you need to aneal your brass best I can tell. Other then that I see no reason to get fliers, you could also try a Lee crimp die. Range scraps work for me.. Keep the faith, mybe you should put those rounds on ebay bet you would get big $$$$$$ for them.

Buckshot could you make a jig for HP Nardoo's Lead?????

Don

[RayinNH]

Nardoo, who cut the mould for you? I get my share of fliers as well so I must have that mould , but can't seem to locate it at the moment. I remember others mentioning fliers too, so it must have been a group buy...Ray

[Cimarron Red]

Nardoo,

I think you're cutting the sprues too soon!

[nighthunter]

You guys all missed it !!!!! Those bullets just are not shiney enough. I think you are either going to have to tumble them in your case cleaner for a couple of hours or you are going to have to find some range scrap that has been exposed to the elements a little longer. Another thought is to lay them in your driveway and let them age awhile longer. The repeated sunshine and rain not to mention the occasional passing dog should clean that range scrap up plenty. You must keep notes of what kind of dogs are loose in your neighborhood and whether or not they are meat fed canines. Meat fed canines produce more nitrates in their urine and you will need to reduce your powder loads accordingly.
Nighthunter

[carpetman]

After reading another long thread here,I think the answer is those bullets were designed for a Freedom Arms gun and wont work in any other brand. Send some to 44 man and see if it will fix the problem he has been working on.

[44man]

OH yes, that would fix the thing right away. No wonder the gun won't shoot, my boolits don't look as good. But I have to agree that they have to have more shine.

[Baron von Trollwhack]

There's a technical plubnumium term for drooping boolitos like those. I forgot what kind of projectile disfunction it was called though. The viable solution was adding 40 milligrams of moldagra to the hot lead as least an hour before casting.

[Buckshot]

"Buckshot could you make a jig for HP Nardoo's Lead?????"

Don

................You bet, no sweat! Left handed, drunk, with my eyes closed

.............Buckshot

[S.R.Custom]

You need more obturation. In the 45/70, the easiest way to get it is with a 50-50 duplex load of 700X and Bullseye. About 60 grains oughta do it.