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    Boolit age hardening question

    Is it practical to make up boolits with the idea of long-term storage, or will age harden/soften them to the point of being "out of spec" for the intended use? Likewise, can ammo loaded with cast boolits be stored long term?

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    If you are relying on water or oven hardening, age softening will be an issue. Air cooled, not so much, a very small margin of hardness will stand up for the difference.

    The lube question is much harder. There is lube migration, oxidation, and drying issues to consider. I don't know what to recommend there.

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    oxygen and heat are their enemy.
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    Age-softening of antimonial alloys that have been heat-treated or water quenched beyond their air-quench hardness is measured in years and only a few Brinell points. If you shoot the boolits within five years it will be of no concern.

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    Age hardening of alloy bullet is a reality, but it does not cause bullets to harden "out of spec for their intended use" as you ask in your post. The issue is interesting, but of little or no consequence in real world shooting.
    Disclaimer: The above is not holy writ. It is just my opinion based on my experience and knowledge. Your mileage may vary.

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    Thanks!

    I appreciate the replies, as always. If we can safely put boolit hardness concerns to rest, and mauntain cool/dry/low oxygen storage, such as zip-loc or ammo can, can lube survive 5-year storage? Could a "dry" lube like Alox or Moly be used alone to survive temp/oxygen changes, or do you still need a "wet" lube?

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    Just checked some boolits cast six or severn years ago. 311299 that are two small.
    One could dig an thumbnail in easily right after casting. Ten days later, you couldn't. Still can't.
    In fact, they seem even harder. This is not a scientific study by any means at all. Just an observation.

    I don't know what hardness they were as cast, 10 days later, or now.


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    I keep my Cast Boolits in G.I. cans, no external oxygen or humidity. I keep them in the basement where it is cool and thus no melting of the lube. I have some that have been in storage for 10 years or more. That shoot just as good as the day I stored them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by famdoc2892 View Post
    Is it practical to make up boolits with the idea of long-term storage, or will age harden/soften them to the point of being "out of spec" for the intended use? Likewise, can ammo loaded with cast boolits be stored long term?
    Most assuredly. Please see:

    http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=152007
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