All except one load tried with a 38 Jap and the cruise were 15" plus at 100 yds. The exception was 20gr 2400 getting 4". Records from 6 years ago show no velocity for that one for some reason. Most of my cast velocities with the better loads all show 2100 to 2350fps. That's using a 266469, and getting 2" or a tad more. If you happen to have a .25 cal mould that is at least .261 you might be surprised how well it does. I pushed a 258325 up to 2100fps and got a respectable 3" Don't be afraid to try something different, it my surprise you. Especially if you can't come up with a mould in exact caliber they say you need.