best powder for lee slugs

[BIGT]

I recently received a Cabellas catalog with an assortment of shotgun slugs available. I noticed one shell that contained a foster slug and three pellets of buckshot behind. This sounds like a great idea! Has any one tried this combo.

Cannot see why reducing the load five grains, or likely 25 percent from the usual charge weight has any degree of validity

I agree. I've found that experiments such as this may result in a quick disassembly of your gun. After the first time one pops in your hands you will respect safe practices.

[weweber3]

Hello Steg, HS-6 is agood powder for Lee Drive Key in 12 ga and most shooters stop around 33 to 34 grains as it starts to kick like a mule, its a known fact, you get best accuracy when you down-load a grain or two below Max load!

I like the Fed 12 S0 wad on the extreme left.

and if you were to put a .125 nitro card below the slug in wad you'll be giving it a firm base at launch and raising the slug a bit for a better fit!

Please be safe and use caution, for your safety comes first!
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Rem Gun Club hulls
Claybusters WAA12RF wad.

I am getting a slight bulge of the hull because the slug doesn't sit flat on wad bottom.

Thoughts?!?!?

Thank you for the help!

[Cmm_3940]

With the claybusters wads I work the slug down into the wad cup by hand before putting the wad+slug into the hull. The base of the cup on the CB wads isn't perfectly squared off, so the slug won't sit flat unless you force it a bit. The Winchester brand WAA wads are a much better fit.

[weweber3]

"Working it down" doesn't seem to alleviate the slight bulge problem. Are you saying if I were to use factory WAA12RF wads I would NOT have the bulge problem?

Looks like I may have wasted $9 on these Claybusters wads.

[SuperBlazingSabots]

Greetings, I keep repeating myself, don't buy the crappy Claybusters wads, they look like are made from cheap re-cycled material that is very brittle not good enough for Nitro Express loads!

Sorry for not only being Bad but also blunt!




Non the less, I try to help in my own Indian way.

Trying to convert you good shooter's into my Elite Musketeer Brotherhood Family group, is that so bad?
I did convert a few but they seem to be ashamed to admit, tho!!
I don't understand this world, sounds very funny.

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[weweber3]

I will stop at the local gun shop and hopefully pick-up some genuine Winchester WAA12SL wads for use with the Remington hulls. I have a pretty good supply of Rem Gun Club hulls that I can put to use here.

When you say Max of 33 to 24 grain of HS-6, is that for pressure safety, reduced recoil... ???

Thank you.

[SuperBlazingSabots]

Hello Brother Weweber, that is 32 to 34 gr of HS-6 and at this point it will smack you bad on the cheeks, most hunters trying to be accurate will prefer 32 gr this way they can comfortably hit what they aim for, yet have a deadly load!





Best of luck.

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[weweber3]

And just to be clear, you think the genuine Winchester wad will NOT have the bulge problem with the Remington hull because of the wad petal thickness?

[SuperBlazingSabots]

Hello Weweber, when loading slugs, Sabots & RB it is recommended that you use straight walled hulls, when you use tapered hulls then depending on the wad it could bulge, if your load chambers ok, then don't worry about the hulls bulging, I personally only use newer Fiocchi or Federal hulls for all my Big game Nitro Express loads.

For all other shot shell loads you can use the tapered hulls.

We are mixing and matching components that are made for shot shell and not really made for our Nitro Express loads, but soon we will change the way we load Nitro Express loads using components custom tailored just for that!!!

The big companies make all components rhyme to each other and give the best load efficiency, and if they can save 1 to 2 grain powder per slug load then in the end its all worth it.

Please read my post and see if it helps you, if it indeed helps please say so if not then let me know I'm am and have wasted my own hard earned money while doing so, I'll admit, its God given money, as I was not born with any money!!!
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Best of luck.

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He treats his failures simply as practice shots. ~ Charles F. Kettering

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[beex215]

ive used promo primarily. 17- 23g. shoots fine to me. higher charges are over listed max. hard on your shoulder and possible face.

[SuperBlazingSabots]

No smart hunter will shoot a load that shoots both ways, only Ajay will do that during load development and load testing.

Take Beex215's advise, be comfortable when hunting with the load, one does not have get punched to impress others, and then go looking for the dentist!

Hey, guess what I'm having fun, I like comedy club here,
not on TV, I wonder why are they laughing, nothing worth laughing.

Best of luck.

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[Cmm_3940]

Here is a photo of what I described earlier, WAA12L on the right, ClayBusters equiv on the left. Note the gap beneath the slug on the CB wad as shown by the red arrow.



I am using these with 37gr of AA#5 in a Win AA hull. They kick a bit. My experience is that any wad I use is destroyed by this load; you won't be recycling them. The CB wads are ripped to pieces, the Winchester wads are merely mangled. The tension provided by the hull is enough to hold the wad and slug straight using the CB wad. No bulges.

The Winchester wad is more accurate, but the CB wad is accurate enough at 50 yds; the groups only open up a couple inches. This is fine for me since I would never take a shot from more than 50 yds at a deer sized target due to my poor eyesight. I am using a red dot, not a scope.

Chris

[crashguy]

I tried the claybusters cb1100-12 for the lee 1 oz slug , the slugs also did not sit even . The claybuster wads have a rib in the center of each petal that thickened toward the bottom. A card under the slug helped but those slugs never fit correctly or worked well. They are relegated to shot shells and work just fine for that.

I use HS-6 , it lets you know when the slug is on it's way... 36 g is max for HS-6 with Lee 1oz slug.... many recommend 33 or 34 as tops

[evan price]

Here is a photo of what I described earlier, WAA12L on the right, ClayBusters equiv on the left. Note the gap beneath the slug on the CB wad as shown by the red arrow.



I am using these with 37gr of AA#5 in a Win AA hull. They kick a bit. My experience is that any wad I use is destroyed by this load; you won't be recycling them. The CB wads are ripped to pieces, the Winchester wads are merely mangled. The tension provided by the hull is enough to hold the wad and slug straight using the CB wad. No bulges.

The Winchester wad is more accurate, but the CB wad is accurate enough at 50 yds; the groups only open up a couple inches. This is fine for me since I would never take a shot from more than 50 yds at a deer sized target due to my poor eyesight. I am using a red dot, not a scope.

Chris

+1000 on this post.

The WIN genuine 12L wad fits the Lee 1-oz drive key slug perfectly and when used in Remington STS/Nitro/Gun Club hulls with a dense powder it is the cats backside. I use 20.0 of Alliant Promo powder and a Win 209 primer. I worked up from 18 grains to 20 and decided my shoulder had enough at 20 grains.
The *only* reason why I switched away from this combo was because I wanted to have a way to know that I am not loading a slug hull in with my trap loads by mistake. I had a bucket full of WIN-AA-HS hulls going begging so I worked up a load using them and I reserve the AA hulls for slug only. Now, I won't get kicked off the trap field by putting a slug through the back range.

The Claybusters wads DO NOT WORK without adding card wads and stuff in the shot cup and then you are too high and need a shorter cushion wad like the WAA 12SL.
I wind up using the WAA12SL wads in WIN-AA-HS hulls because in my experience they are SHORTER than the Remington hulls by just enough that I was getting blown crimps on WIN hulls when using the 7/8 oz grey 12L wad.

[weweber3]

Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you! This is exactly what I was looking for. Bonus info... the use of promo powder. I have some of that as well... it is also MUCH cheaper.

Thanks again for the replies.

+1000 on this post.

The WIN genuine 12L wad fits the Lee 1-oz drive key slug perfectly and when used in Remington STS/Nitro/Gun Club hulls with a dense powder it is the cats backside. I use 20.0 of Alliant Promo powder and a Win 209 primer. I worked up from 18 grains to 20 and decided my shoulder had enough at 20 grains.
The *only* reason why I switched away from this combo was because I wanted to have a way to know that I am not loading a slug hull in with my trap loads by mistake. I had a bucket full of WIN-AA-HS hulls going begging so I worked up a load using them and I reserve the AA hulls for slug only. Now, I won't get kicked off the trap field by putting a slug through the back range.

The Claybusters wads DO NOT WORK without adding card wads and stuff in the shot cup and then you are too high and need a shorter cushion wad like the WAA 12SL.
I wind up using the WAA12SL wads in WIN-AA-HS hulls because in my experience they are SHORTER than the Remington hulls by just enough that I was getting blown crimps on WIN hulls when using the 7/8 oz grey 12L wad.

[weweber3]

evan_price - what kind of FPS are you getting out of that 18 or 20 grain promo load? any idea?

[evan price]

evan_price - what kind of FPS are you getting out of that 18 or 20 grain promo load? any idea?

No chrono. 1oz shot with 18gr according to alliant book should be about 1200ish.

[weweber3]

So essentially any load data for 1oz shot can work with a 1 oz slug?

Interesting.

[Cmm_3940]

Not exactly, but mostly. From what I understand, using shot data for slugs Is PROBABLY safe, but the reverse PROBABLY ISN'T. Expect performance data to vary widely. Unlike slugs, shot has at least one additional variable of outward pressure placed on the thin barrel walls due to the compressing shot column. Probably other gotchas I haven't learnt of yet.

Can a shotshell guru explain (link to) the technical details here? Unfortunately, the shotgun forums I've found so far tend to say "Shut up and follow the recipe EXACTLY!" I'm mostly a metallic reloader.

Chris

[newcastter]

Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you! This is exactly what I was looking for. Bonus info... the use of promo powder. I have some of that as well... it is also MUCH cheaper.

Thanks again for the replies.

Nice to see others using promo.
I myself load the 1oz Lee slug in a WAA12 over a 20gauge nitro card and all that over 24gr of Promo in a gun club hull. That has shown impressive patterns at 25 and 50 yds and explosive damage on gallon water jugs. Thats my go to slug load and I am thinking about using on a whitetail this season.