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  1. #81
    Here is a treat for all you 20 gauge lovers




    Play it safe and try the above at your own risk, far too many variables.
    Ajay
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  2. #82
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    Ajay, Thanks for the info! Now I just need the time to reload.

  3. #83
    Greetings friends, I was on the range a good part of today and was testing some special loads for you with Trap Commander wad and .578-478M bullet:

    3 ” Fiocchi. Fio. 616 29.4 gr HS-6 438 gr bullet of .578“ in Com, OP+.125-20 Darker nitro+2-.125-28, ( one below the bullet and one in base cavity of the wad, like in the pictures above )
    8 point swirling 1468Good fit!

    3 ” Fiocchi. Fio. 616 29 gr HS-6 456 gr bullet of .578“ in Com, OP+.125-20 Darker nitro+2-.125-28, ( one below the bullet and one in base cavity of the wad, like in the pictures above ). 8 point opening!! 1427fps tight fit!

    3 ” Fiocchi. CCI 209M 28.5 gr Steel, 452 gr bullet of .578“, Good fit! Need wad pressure ! at 1400 fps
    OP wad + 1 -125-20 Darker nitro +1-.125-28“ in Fed.20S-1 wad below bullet, Good 8 point !! Minute ext. mark !!

    3 ” Fiocchi. Fio. 616 29 gr 4756 466 gr bullet of .578“ in Com, OP +2-.125-28 ( One below the bullet and one in base cavity of the wad, like in the pictures above )
    8 point!!! Crimp swirling bad 1394 fps!

    Please remember I just got into 20 gauge gun only 3 to 4 weeks back and and prior to that was only using 12 gauge!

    In our Blazing Sabot test I was suppose to test our 310 gr flat base bullet but had run out of it, so for the heck of it I took another 290 gr hollow base bullet we got 2898 fps and 2574 fps with Lil Gun powder and no sign of pressure at all and after firing the hulls did not even expand! An amazing powder, indeed!







    Flying sabot:


    I'm simply looking to get 1700 to 1800 fps with 300 or 310 gr bullet, don't forget I'm using a 22 inch short barrel and not a 30 inch test barrel like the big three!

    I had made a promise to you, I'll help you loads in the cheapest way and none of the bullet mold will cost you more than $18 plus change, MidSouth has given us a Birthday special!

    This 300 gr 6 cavity mold on special for $33.16 right now!
    http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.co...sku=0000690228


    My Bear Buster bullet for $16.88 in 12 gauge and for 20 gauge the same bullet in Trap Commander wad, can't beat that!
    http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.co...sku=0000690476

    My Hog Buster bullet for $16.26 in 12 gauge.
    http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.co...sku=0000690991

    My Buck Buster bullet for 20 and 12 gauge for $ 16.88
    http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.co...sku=0000690472

    My Coyote Buster bullet in 20 ga for $ 16.26 right now
    http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.co...sku=0000690356

    .575" RB mold for RB in wad for 20 gauge lovers for $16.26
    http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.co...sku=0000690461

    Lee Drive Key 1 Oz slug mold on special for $17.51 others will sell you for $26+
    http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.co...sku=0000690281

    Broke my scope today and told my son I need another toy now!

    Please note for all my tests I only use new hulls and am limited to 3 inch hulls as I only have one 20 gauge Hornady all set up for 3" and so far only 8 point fold crimp!
    For 2 3/4 in hulls I need to buy a used Mec in 20 ga.

    Just got my 20 gauge roll crimper from Gaep Italian Quality as a gift from them!

    I have mentioned good hunting loads above, to get meat on the table, here is the Good along with the Not So Good loads that I tested in my Savage 220 Stainless Steel gun with 22 inch barrels!


    Please use the above loads for reference only and at your own risk, in a thicker barrel at the muzzle for your safety!
    A sweet Indian trick, go to any Indian grocery store and pick up Kala namak ( Black salt ) for $ 1 and sprinkle it on your burger or steak, report back!

    Without your support I'll be a nobody!
    Amen!
    Thank you.
    Ajay
    BlazingSabots@Gmail.com
    www.BlazingSabots.com
    Last edited by SuperBlazingSabots; 07-27-2012 at 11:03 AM. Reason: More good information added!

  4. #84
    Last edited by SuperBlazingSabots; 07-27-2012 at 11:36 AM.

  5. #85
    Hello friends, lets have some fun with 20 gauge:

    How about a 450 gr bullet of .575" dia. at 1500 fps, even tho a bit heavy will be good enough for a wild hog!

    By glueing the bullet to the wad we can easily turn it into a one-piece slug, go ahead you can do it!
    Don't forget these bullets are hollow base and will definitely need the nitro card support from the bottom to add load efficiency, a good load can go bum if only the crimp is not tight enough to help built the required pressure!
    Here are some loads for reference:
    20 gauge 2 3/4 hull Fed 1450 fps
    7/8 oz Longshot CCI209M Fed. 20S1 20.5 gr/ 8,900 PSI 21.5 gr / 9,800 PSI 22.6 gr / 10,900 PSI —
    7/8 oz Longshot CCI209M Rem. RXP20 21.1 gr/ 8,500 PSI 22.1 gr / 9,200 PSI 23.2 gr / 9,900 PSI 24.2 gr /10,700 PSI
    7/8 oz Longshot CCI209M WAA20 21.0 gr/ 8,700 PSI 21.7 gr / 9,700 PSI 22.3 gr / 10,600 PSI —
    7/8 oz Longshot Fed. 209A Fed. 20S1 20.3 gr/ 9,300 PSI 21.3 gr / 10,200 PSI 22.3 gr / 11,100 PSI —
    7/8 oz Longshot Fed. 209A Rem. RXP20 20.5 gr/ 8,800 PSI 21.6 gr / 9,800 PSI 22.7 gr / 10,700 PSI 23.8 gr /11,800 PSI
    7/8 oz Longshot Fed. 209A WAA20 20.6 gr/ 8,900 PSI 21.7 gr / 9,800 PSI 22.8 gr / 10,600 PSI 23.9 gr /11,400 PSI
    7/8 oz Longshot Rem. 209P Fed. 20S1 20.6 gr/ 8,800 PSI 21.7 gr / 9,700 PSI 22.8 gr / 10,500 PSI 24.0 gr /11,900 PSI
    7/8 oz Longshot Rem. 209P Rem. RXP20 22.5 gr/ 8,200 PSI 23.2 gr / 9,000 PSI 23.9 gr / 9,700 PSI 24.5 gr /10,400 PSI
    7/8 oz Longshot Rem. 209P WAA20 20.8 gr/ 8,600 PSI 21.9 gr / 9,400 PSI 22.9 gr / 10,200 PSI 24.0 gr /11,000 PSI
    7/8 oz Longshot Win. 209 Fed. 20S1 21.5 gr/ 8,100 PSI 22.6 gr / 8,900 PSI 23.7 gr / 9,700 PSI 25.0 gr /11,000 PSI
    7/8 oz Longshot Win. 209 Rem. RXP20 — 24.1 gr / 7,700 PSI 24.9 gr / 8,700 PSI 25.7 gr / 9,600 PSI
    7/8 oz Longshot Win. 209 WAA20 22.3 gr/ 7,500 PSI 23.3 gr / 8,300 PSI 24.3 gr / 9,200 PSI 25.0 gr /10,800 PSI


    www.hodgdon.com
    SHOTSHELL data
    SSHOT HOT POWDER PRIMER WAD CHARGE/PRESSURE* SSHOT HOT POWDER PRIMER WAD CHARGE/PRESSURE*
    62
    20 GA., 3", FEDERAL PLASTIC SHELLS (CONT.)
    1150 fps 1200 fps 1250 fps 1300 fps
    1 1/8 oz SR 4756 Rem. 209P Rem. SP 20 — — 24.5 gr / 11,200 PSI —
    1 1/8 oz SR 4756 Rem. 209P WAA20 — — 24.0 gr / 11,000 PSI —
    1 1/8 oz SR 4756 Win. 209 Fed. 20S1 — 21.5 gr / 11,300 PSI — —
    1 1/8 oz SR 4756 Win. 209 Rem. SP 20 — 23.0 gr / 11,500 PSI — —
    1 1/8 oz SR 4756 Win. 209 WAA20 — 22.5 gr / 11,700 PSI — —
    1 1/8 oz 800-X Fed. 209A Fed. 20S1 — 19.0 gr / 11,600 PSI — —
    1 1/8 oz 800-X Fed. 209A Rem. RXP20 — 19.5 gr / 11,500 PSI — —
    1 1/8 oz 800-X Fed. 209A WAA20 — 19.5 gr / 11,500 PSI — —
    1 1/8 oz 800-X Rem. 209P Fed. 20S1 — — — 22.0 gr /11,700 PSI
    1 1/8 oz 800-X Rem. 209P Rem. SP20 — — 21.0 gr / 11,600 PSI —
    1 1/8 oz 800-X Rem. 209P WAA20 — — — 22.0 gr /11,400 PSI
    1 1/8 oz 800-X Win. 209 Fed. 20S1 — 19.5 gr / 11,600 PSI — —
    1 1/8 oz 800-X Win. 209 Rem. SP 20 — 19.5 gr / 11,500 PSI — —
    1 1/8 oz 800-X Win. 209 WAA20 — 19.0 gr / 11,400 PSI — —
    1185 fps 1240 fps
    1 1/4 oz Longshot CCI 209M Fed. 20S1 20.2 gr/ 11,300 PSI —
    1 1/4 oz Longshot CCI 209M Rem. RXP20 21.0gr / 11,000 PSI —
    1 1/4 oz Longshot CCI 209M WAA20F1 20.3 gr/ 11,400 PSI —
    1 1/4 oz Longshot Fed. 209A Fed. 20S1 20.2 gr/ 11,700 PSI —
    1 1/4 oz Longshot Fed. 209A Rem. RXP20 20.9 gr/ 11,300 PSI —
    1 1/4 oz Longshot Fed. 209A WAA20F1 20.2 gr/ 11,500 PSI —
    1 1/4 oz Longshot Rem. 209P Fed. 20S1 20.5 gr/ 11,600 PSI —
    1 1/4 oz Longshot Rem. 209P Rem. RXP20 21.5 gr/ 10,400 PSI —
    1 1/4 oz Longshot Rem. 209P WAA20F1 19.9 gr/ 11,200 PSI —
    1 1/4 oz Longshot Win. 209 Fed. 20S1 20.4 gr/ 10,300 PSI —
    1 1/4 oz Longshot Win. 209 Rem. RXP20 21.3 gr/ 10,600 PSI —
    1 1/4 oz Longshot Win. 209 WAA20F1 21.2 gr/ 10,300 PSI 22.2 gr / 11,500 PSI
    1100 fps 1125 fps 1150 fps 1175 fps
    1 1/4 oz 800-X Fed. 209A Rem. SP 20 17.5 gr/ 11,500 PSI — — —
    1 1/4 oz 800-X Fed. 209A WAA20F1 — 18.0 gr / 11,700 PSI — —
    1 1/4 oz 800-X Rem. 209P Rem. SP 20 — — 19.5 gr / 11,400 PSI
    1 1/4 oz 800-X Rem. 209P WAA20F1 — — — 20.0 gr /11,000 PSI
    1 1/4 oz 800-X Win. 209 Rem. SP 20 18.0 gr/ 11,400 PSI — — —
    1 1/4 oz 800-X Win. 209 WAA20F1 — 18.5 gr / 11,400 PSI — —
    20 GA., 3", REMINGTON PREMIER PLASTIC SHELLS
    1175 fps 1230 fps
    1 1/8 oz Longshot CCI 209M PC20 17.6 gr/ 11,400 PSI —
    1 1/8 oz Longshot CCI 209M Rem. RXP20 17.7 gr/ 11,500 PSI —
    1 1/8 oz Longshot Rem. 209P PC20 17.6 gr/ 10,900 PSI —
    1 1/8 oz Longshot Rem. 209P Rem. RXP20 17.7 gr/ 11,500 PSI —
    1 1/8 oz Longshot Rem. 209P WAA20 17.6 gr/ 12,000 PSI —
    1 1/8 oz Longshot Win. 209 Fed. 20S1 18.2 gr/ 10,800 PSI —
    1 1/8 oz Longshot Win. 209 PC20 18.3 gr/ 10,500 PSI 19.3 gr / 12,000


    This 20 ga Lyman slug in wad data calls for 340 gr Lyman slug, same as this bullet weight above,
    all I need is to get a mold for it made. ( Blazing Sabot mold )

    Hope it helps, lets play !!!!!!
    Ajay
    BlazingSabots@Gmail.com
    Blazing Sabots, LLC
    www.BlazingSabots.com
    Last edited by SuperBlazingSabots; 06-20-2013 at 05:37 PM.

  6. #86
    Good morning, I'm getting loads ready that I need to test at the range hopefully tomorrow, have some loads to test for you too, as mentioned above .575" bullet in Trap Commander wad and I'm testing .575" RB in Commander wad with 2-.125-28 Ga nitro below the RB and a third one .125-28 ga in the wads base cavity!
    I'll report back, so be on the look out!

    Just a reminder those figures on the chrono pictures above are all true and shot with a
    Savage 220 Stainless steel gun and a 22 inch barrel, I'm not saying those are safe loads !!!!!!

    I would love to see you try converting the .575" bullet and TC wad into a one piece by just gluing them together with JB weld epoxy, Epoxy Rivet ( West System-3 ), Devcon High Strength Plastic welder 200*, Goop Super Weld Epoxy 360* and High Temp Silicone by Permitex at Auto stores to glue slug to wad!

    " No man is a failure, who is enjoying life" - William Feather

    " A happy man is one who loads his own slugs and burn's powder at the range" - Blazing Sabots!

    Knowledge not shared is knowledge lost!
    Ajay
    BlazingSabots@Gmail.com
    Blazing Sabots, LLC
    www.BlazingSabots.com
    Last edited by SuperBlazingSabots; 08-08-2012 at 05:21 PM.

  7. #87
    Hello friends, this is the result of some of the loads that we tested today, please note
    User Assumes all liability for the use of this information, because we have zero control over your re-loading practices and the gun that you use.
    We therefore disclaim all liability for any damages which may result from this information!!!



    Get Lee # 90476- 575-472M for $17 from MidSouth for a regular rifled barrel and if your barrel is a bit over size by a few thousands then go with Lee #90478 - 578-478M not much difference between the two!
    20 Gauge loads
    3” Fiocchi. CCI 209M 30 gr A.Steel 451 gr in Commander .125-20N, 2-.125-28, Good Roll crimp, next try 8 point fold & try 30.5, 31, 31.5 gr at 1412 fps

    3” Fiocchi. CCI 209M 29.6 gr A.Steel 459 gr in Commander .125-20N, 2-.125-28, Good Roll crimp, no marks at 1396 fps

    3” Fiocchi. CCI 209M 29 gr A.Steel 451 gr in Commander .125-20N, 2-.125-28, Good Roll crimp at 1406 fps

    3” Fiocchi. Fio. 616 28 gr HS-6 455 gr in Commander OP, 2-.125-28 swirling very bad at crimp8 point minute extraction mark at 1344 fps

    3” Fiocchi. Fio. 616 27.6 gr HS-6 449 gr in Commander OP, 2-.125-28 swirling very bad at 8 point crimp at 1366 fps




    .575” Round Ball Using 2-.125-28 right below RB in wad and one in base cavity !!

    3” Fiocchi. Fio.616 20 gr Lil Gun 287 gr RB in T. Commander wad, OP, .125-20 N, 2-.125-28 8 point crimp caving in. at High fps yet very mild re-coil and un-burned powder
    in hull left over!!

    While loading the above load in one load I forgot to put two .125-28 nitro cards below the RB and I had one card only and when crimping the crimp caved in, due to shot column being short!
    When testing I wanted to see what happens, the load not only fired ok, I got much higher velocity, by as much as 300 to 350 fps!!!
    I keep reminding you time after time, how important a role a tight crimp plays, don't ignore it! Consistency is the secret here to a accurate load, easier said than done, tho!!!!




    3” Fiocchi. Fio. 616 22 gr Hodgdon's Universal clays 306 gr in Blazing Sabot ( Deer buster ), OP, 1/2“felt, Good fit, 8 point caving in a bit, extraction mark!! This is another powder that keeps shining!! at 1980 fps

    3” Fiocchi. Fio.616 31.5 gr 4756 309 gr in Blazing Sabot ( Deer buster ), OP, 1/2” felt, , Roll crimp not tight enough, next try fold crimp!!! at 1501 fps

    3” Fiocchi. CCI 209M 29.5 gr Long shot 312 gr in Blazing Sabot ( Deer buster ), OP, 1/2” felt, , 8 point caving-in bad !! Recoil bad !! at 1775 fps

    3” Fiocchi. CCI 209M 29 gr Long shot 310 gr in Blazing Sabot ( Deer buster ), OP, 1/2” felt, .125-20 D, hull bulged bad 8 point good, no marks!! at 1594 fps

    3” Fiocchi. Fio. 616 22 gr Lil Gun 309 gr in Blazing Sabot ( Deer buster ), OP, 1/2” felt, 2-.125-20 N & D,hull bulged a bit, mild recoil, unburned powder in hull, 8 point good at 1775 fps

    3” Fiocchi. Fio. 616 26.5 gr HS-6 311 gr in Blazing Sabot ( Deer buster ), OP, 1/2felt, .125-20 N Good fit, swirling 8 point minute ext. mark at 1455 fps

    3” Fiocchi. Fio. 616 21 gr WSF 312 gr in Blazing Sabot ( Deer buster ), OP+1/2” felt,+.125-20 Dark 8 point, minute ext. mark!!! at 1501 fps

    Fio.616 31 gr 4756 309 gr in Blazing Sabot ( Deer buster ), OP, 1/2” felt, , 8 point good tight fit caving-in a bit, minute ext. mark!! at 1629 fps

    3” Fiocchi. CCI 209M 30.5 gr Long shot 255 gr in Blazing Sabot ( Coyote buster ) OP, 1/2” felt, .125-20D, minute bulge, 8 point, no marks!!! Next try 31, 31.5 gr at 1731 fps

    3” Fiocchi. CCI 209M 30 gr Long shot 260 gr in Blazing Sabot ( Coyote buster ), OP, 1/2” felt, 2-.125-20D, minute bulge, 8 point ok, minute ext. mark!!! at 1705 fps

    3” Fiocchi. Fio.616 32.5 gr 4756 255 gr in Blazing Sabot ( Coyote buster ), OP, 1/2” felt, 8 point good fit swirling, crimp ok to fair, Recoiled !!! at 1592 fps



    In 12 gauge, 1Oz Lee slug in Trap Commander wad and .125-16 nitro below slug in wad,
    try 43 gr of A. Steel and 6 point fold crimp! ( come up 1/2 grain at a time till you start seeing pressure signs )

    In 12 gauge, 1Oz Lee slug in Trap Commander wad and .125-16 nitro below slug in wad,
    try 42 gr of Blue Dot and 6 point fold crimp! ( come up 1/2 grain at a time till you start seeing pressure signs )

    Its very funny, all we need is a good hunting load like this:

    to help you put meat on the table for your family with Blazing Sabots !!

    We keep getting bad results at the range like this:







    I keep wondering, did I drink too much that I'm seeing these numbers!!!
    Don't worry we will get them down to 1700 to 1850 fps!!
    Ajay
    BlazingSabots@Gmail.com
    Blazing Sabots, LLC
    www.BlazingSabots.com
    Last edited by SuperBlazingSabots; 06-20-2013 at 05:41 PM.

  8. #88
    Good morning friends, its time to push the loading envelop a bit further than where we left off on Aug. 9 th.
    Be on the look out and hopefully you too are doing the same.
    Your safety comes first, use caution, and so will I !!
    Amen brother!

    Ajay
    BlazingSabots@Gmail.com
    Blazing Sabots, LLC
    www.BlazingSabots.com
    Last edited by SuperBlazingSabots; 08-15-2012 at 10:25 AM.

  9. #89
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    I think you need a new chronograph. There is no way you got these numbers without wearing the gun.
    When I was reloading slugs for my 20ga I also got weird speeds. Just not like these.

  10. #90
    Good morning, yesterday was not very good at the range since the sun kept messing up with the chrono results.
    Please note: User Assumes all liability for the use of this information, because we have zero control over your re-loading practices and the gun that you use.
    We therefore disclaim all liability for any damages which may result from this information!!!
    I suggest you use this information for reference only and verify the loads for your own safety, I did all the 20 gauge tests in a Savage 220 bolt action gun in stainless steel!


    Please note, having a plastic OP ( Obturator 20 )wad on top of powder is very important for load efficiency, at times there is not enough hull space for that, then when I put a .125-20 ga. nitro card on powder does not help! I'm going to get it made right and am working on it!

    20 gauge 3” Fiocchi. Fio.616 36 gr Blue Dot 285 gr .575” RB in “ Commander, 3-.125-28 nitro cards, 2 below RB, 30 lbs wad pressure, hull bulged a bit, very tight fit for a 8 point fold crimp! Showed no marks at 1520 fps! You should get better velocity from a 24 inch barrel!
    I'll be trying this load again and then 36.5, 37 and 37.5 grains, next time!!

    20 gauge 3” Fiocchi. Fio.616 23 gr gr Unique 285 gr .575” RB in “ Commander, OP, 3-.125-28 nitro cards, 2 below RB, 30 lbs wad pressure, very tight fit 8 point fold crimped Ok! at 1541 fps. Very minute ext. mark, next I'll try 23.5, 24 grains but in Fed. GM hull !!

    When I tried the same load with 23.5 grains of Unique, I had to get rid of the OP wad and replaced it with a .125-20 regular nitro card on powder the load went bum!!!
    3” Fiocchi. Fio.616 23.5 gr gr Unique 285 gr .575” RB in “ Commander, 1-.125-20 nitro card on powder, 3-.125-28 2 below RB, 8 point fold crimp at 1060 fps. lost the load efficiency!

    20 gauge 3” Fiocchi. CCI209M 30 gr Longshot 285 gr .575” RB in “ Commander, .125-20 nitro card on powder, 3-.125-28, 2 below RB, 8 point fold crimp caving a bit, at 1410 fps.
    This load efficiency can be improved by taking away .125-20 regular nitro on powder away and replacing it with OP wad ( Obturator 20 ) for higher velocity!
    The same load at 31 grains Longshot went bum as it needed the OP wad, this load gave a
    minute ext mark!!!

    Yesterday I had one load of RB that gave me 1809 fps, it could have been higher had my wad shipment arrived in time!!
    In this case the crimp index was screwed up! Fold crimp caving in bad! I need to re-check this load again for consistency and will try adding Obturator 20 OP wad for load efficiency
    3” Fiocchi. Fio.616 27 gr gr HS-6 285 gr .575” RB in “ Commander, .125-20N, 3-.125-28 2 below bullet, 8 point caving-in!

    When developing loads you do get the hulls bulging from time to time because you do not have all the required thickness of felt, nitro cards etc.
    This simple tool helps pressing the bulge back in!

    I push the hull in and tighten the screw 1/8 to 1/4 turn and let it sit for a minute or two and then grab the hull and turn it to press the buldge and I'm done, simple as that!
    The buldge happens at the final crimp stage only if your wad column is a wee bit longer or if you fail to put-in enough wad pressure!

    I'll be checking Home Depot to see if I can find a PVC pipe that is a snug fit and that I can slip over the hull when loading about 3/4 inch to 1 inch long for that!
    Up-date: I did check Home Depot and found Pex Pipe 3/4IN X 5FT for $3.27 item #697285360051 all it needs fine polishing inside to be able to slip in the 20 gauge hull for full support from the outside!

    Hopefully next time I'll have a better day at the range!!

    I do have a Chrony, but its not so good for slugs!



    If you are wondering why I am doing all this, then let me tell you this " Its for the love of this sport and I want to contribute and share my experiences, while learning from your experience at the same time."
    Ajay
    BlazingSabots@Gmail.com
    Blazing Sabots, LLC
    www.BlazingSabots.com
    Last edited by SuperBlazingSabots; 06-20-2013 at 05:44 PM. Reason: Up dating useful information!

  11. #91
    Busy preparing test loads, hopefully I'll make it to the range first thing in the morning!
    I do hope the information is helping, and will help put more meat on the table!
    Some new powders like 4759 also being tested and some more next time!
    Lets see how things go!
    Ajay
    BlazingSabots@Gmail.com
    Blazing Sabots, LLC
    www.BlazingSabots.com

  12. #92
    Hello Friends, we had a good day at the range and got some loads just the way I wanted with our Blazing Sabots, I did do some testing for you all with .575 Lee RB of 285 gr mold that I got for an amazing price of $16 from a 2 cavity mold from Midsouth

    We had a minute ext mark with this load and it kicked like a mule!


    This load was a tight fit!


    These .575 RB loads were very accurate and do not underestimate its power, but remember
    you need to hit heavy bones then it will work like a bulldozer!

    No ext mark here!

    I did try to improve on the Lee .575 and .578 bullet in Commander wad of 450 to 460 gr, also got that for $16 plus change from Mid South.
    We had tried quite a few loads but I'm giving you the very best!

    Please note: User Assumes all liability for the use of this information, because we have zero control over your re-loading practices and the gun that you use.
    We therefore disclaim all liability for any damages which may result from this information!!!
    I suggest you use this information for reference only and verify the loads for your own safety, I did all the 20 gauge tests in a Savage 220 bolt action gun in stainless steel!
    I did more tests for 12 gauge and will be posting my results, so be on the look out!
    Ajay
    BlazingSabots@Gmail.com
    Blazing Sabots, LLC
    www.BlazingSabots.com
    Last edited by SuperBlazingSabots; 06-20-2013 at 05:47 PM.

  13. #93
    Hello friends, here is a deal for $49 plus change, 3-9X 40mm BDC scope adjustable for 100, 150 and 200 yards from Cabella, do not misout on this deal even if you do not need yet another scope!
    The nice lady at Cabella told me since they got another newer model of this same scope for $99,
    they put it on special!
    http://www.cabelas.com/product/Cabel...h-All+Products
    I did not need one but still ordered 2 for back up, can't go wrong get one!!!
    Ajay
    BlazingSabots@Gmail.com
    Blazing Sabots, LLC
    www.BlazingSabots.com

  14. #94
    Good afternoon friends, getting test loads ready for the range.


    It is very important that you push the .125-28 ga. nitro wad all the way down into the wad like this:

    I am preparing some of the above loads for you all to try in your modern regular off the counter slug gun with .815" or heavier barrel at the muzzle for 20 gauge! We will be pushing the loading envelope a bit further for a tiny bit more velocity, just to satisfy some of you who want a faster load!

    I like to also warn you, if I buy myself a single shot H&R or Thomson or Rossi known for bull barrel then my loads will become dangerously heavy for most of you. I said most, right!
    Go ahead convince me those single shot guns are far too heavy to carry and do not look very impressive etc!
    Hopefully I'll be at the range in a day or two and will report back with more loads, in the mean time you to burn some powder at the range and report your findings right here and above all lets have fun, that's what this hobby is all about!
    You all have a wonderful day.
    Ajay
    BlazingSabots@Gmail.com
    Blazing Sabots, LLC
    www.BlazingSabots.com
    www.PreciousVideoMemories.com
    Last edited by SuperBlazingSabots; 06-20-2013 at 05:48 PM.

  15. #95
    Hello friends, just got back from the range, will be sorting the results and logging them in our load database and then will share my findings.
    this is the result of some of the loads that we tested today, please note
    User Assumes all liability for the use of this information, because we have zero control over your re-loading practices and the gun that you use.
    We therefore disclaim all liability for any damages which may result from this information!!!


    All testing was done with a Savage 220 stainless steel model with 22 in barrel measuring .815" at the muzzle!
    I want you to know a lot of effort goes into these load development to get the best load efficiency and I try to give details of the load so you can with proper components load them exactly as I did!
    Try them at your own risk! I would recommend you start 3 grains below and come up 1/2 grain at a time while watching for pressure signs!!!!!

    " No man is a failure, who is enjoying life" - William Feather
    " A happy man is one who loads his own slugs and burn's powder at the range" - Blazing Sabots!
    Knowledge not shared is knowledge lost!
    Ajay
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    Last edited by SuperBlazingSabots; 06-20-2013 at 05:51 PM.

  16. #96
    Hello friends, here is another good news from MidSouth Shooters, no Hazmat fee on Powders and primers.
    http://campaign.r20.constantcontact....o4HcEe0Q%3D%3D
    I personally could not avail this deal as my shipment of powders and primers has already arrived from them!
    Their prices are good on Powders, primers and you cant even come close on Lee bullet molds for $17!
    Any vendors who gives us shooters better prices to help us enjoy our shooting hobby,
    my hats off to them, like

    Lee gives us bullet molds at a great price,

    Circle Fly gives us good prices on nitro cards, far better than BPI,

    BPI gives us better prices on hulls and plastic OP wads.
    Enjoy the savings!
    Ajay
    BlazingSabots@Gmail.com
    Blazing Sabots, LLC
    www.BlazingSabots.com
    www.PreciousVideoMemories.com
    Last edited by SuperBlazingSabots; 08-31-2012 at 06:53 PM.

  17. #97
    Greetings, yesterday I got a request for a load for Lee 1 Oz slug in wad using Fiocchi 2 3/4 clear hull and Fed 12S-0 wad and Herco powder, I knew the Fed 12S-0 wad is long and the powder Herco takes up some hull space and knowing I always want a .125-16 ga nitro card below the slug, did not help either.

    Just for fun I started to try to load them, I'll try them next time I'm on the range for exact velocity

    The load:
    1. 12-2 3/4 Fiocchi Fio.616 34 gr Herco, Lee 1 Oz slug in Commander wad with a .125-16 ga nitro in wad, 60 lbs wad pressure, 8 point fold crimp, tight fit, opening a bit!

    2. 12-2 3/4 Fiocchi Fio.616 33 gr Herco, Lee 1 Oz slug in Fed 12S-0 shot cup with .125-16 nitro below slug, over shot card on powder+ Fed 12S-0 OP topped by FS-12, 60 lbs wad pressure, 8 point fold crimp, tight fit!

    3. 12-2 3/4 Fiocchi Fio.616 32 gr Herco, Lee 1 Oz slug in Fed 12C-1 wad with .125-16 nitro below slug, over shot card on powder, 60 lbs wad pressure, 8 point fold crimp, very tight fit, crimp opened!

    Two weeks back I had tried 1 Oz Lee in Commander wad and IMR 4759 powder using Fed. 209A magnum primer with 55, 56.6, 58 and 60 gr but did not get it fast enough, all I got was 1300 fps, maybe I need to switch the hull to 3 inch.
    The loads were very tight fit and started opening soon after I loaded them!
    12-2 3/4 Fed. Fed 209A 60 gr 4759 Lee Drive Key in Commander .125-16 nitro below slug in wad, wad pressure tight 6 point fold crimp started to open.

    Coming Monday or Tuesday I'll be at the range and will test from where I left off!
    Ajay
    BlazingSabots@Gmail.com
    Blazing Sabots, LLC
    www.BlazingSabots.com
    www.PreciousVideoMemories.com
    Last edited by SuperBlazingSabots; 09-08-2012 at 04:15 PM.

  18. #98
    Boolit Buddy
    Join Date
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    East Coast
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    IMR 4759 is too slow to be of use in loads using slugs/Bullets of less than 600Gr in 12ga.
    Powders should be suited to the Payload. In the 12GFH Thread, there are sereral Powders mentioned, that generate the same velocity as others, but use 30% more Powder. It doesn't work well, and causes more recoil, and increases Cost. Please be sensible in load Development, and Powder selection.

    I do not advocate higher than SAAMI Specification Chamber pressures for Shotguns. Is there any Pressure tested Data for the Blazing Sabots yet?
    Greg
    AKA 12 Bore

  19. #99
    Slug Master
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
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    One oz in 20ga wad , if that is what he was using, is same SD as 12ga 600gr.
    I use 4759 in lighter slugs.

    I use 90-100gr 4759 with wad and 12ga Lee 525Gr slug , heavier than an oz by
    80gr, in BPI Helix cushion driver wad.
    3 inch case and it has slightly lower pressure than our lab tested 600gr fullbore Dixie
    with same powder. Roll crimp. Stays crimped. Goes 1900+ in long barrel.
    Got to use 3" cases and as long as chambers are all 3" nowadays, best use 3".
    The 12 ga discarding sabots, accutip style without attached cushions, sabots taking
    58cal slugs ranging from 380gr to 560gr, all do the same and some faster with
    4759. 4759 is real safe and we had it tested clear up to 720 gr Dixie slugs, where it only
    went up to factory magnum 12ga load pressures, while going 1800.

    Your first example above with 4759 in commander wad was that 20 ga? .
    If so you need 3" cases, roll crimp and about 68-72gr powder.
    Or was the info about 4759, all with a 1 oz lee keydrive in a 12ga wad.
    If so don't like using 4759 in 12ga at less than 70gr.

    Extra note-And if guns are able to go with 3.5" cases ream them out, it will be the
    best present you ever gave yourself..Little more speed, less case expansion.
    Cases last longer.ED
    Last edited by hubel458; 09-08-2012 at 10:38 PM.

  20. #100
    Good morning Ed and Greg, all my test are being conducted with Great Mr helpful Ed's direction and it is he who asked me to go get that IMR 4759 powder, he said, that's the powder you need for speed! Since I was paying the Hazmat fee so I added 4227 along with some others.

    What I'm doing is, I'm gradually coming up in powder charge!
    I already lost my Savage 210F with 24 inch barrel and now have to put up with a 22 inch barrel, I'm not too pleased about that so intend to pick another Savage 210F with 24 inch barrel.

    We are a family of Slug Shooters here, its good that we can respectfully debate our idea's and learn from each other's experiences and help one another!

    God bless America!
    Ajay
    BlazingSabots@Gmail.com
    Blazing Sabots, LLC
    www.BlazingSabots.com
    www.PreciousVideoMemories.com

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Abbreviations used in Reloading

BP Bronze Point IMR Improved Military Rifle PTD Pointed
BR Bench Rest M Magnum RN Round Nose
BT Boat Tail PL Power-Lokt SP Soft Point
C Compressed Charge PR Primer SPCL Soft Point "Core-Lokt"
HP Hollow Point PSPCL Pointed Soft Point "Core Lokt" C.O.L. Cartridge Overall Length
PSP Pointed Soft Point Spz Spitzer Point SBT Spitzer Boat Tail
LRN Lead Round Nose LWC Lead Wad Cutter LSWC Lead Semi Wad Cutter
GC Gas Check