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    Greetings and thank you all for your good wishes.
    I did try using .600 RB in 12 ga but did not get to try two RB due to the fact In Germany I met Mr Roy Weatherby while we were producing Mark V and certain shotguns for him at J. P. Sauer & sons, he believed a lighter bullet at higher speed will do far more damage. I could never forget his words.

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    Yes my friend the pipe cutter does wonders and very precise too.
    With hat I know today I wish I had not bought all those 12 ga guns and instead concentrate on my
    20 ga High power Nitro Express.
    Now these 20 ga hulls have a tendency to buckle up at the base and if your loader does not support the hull full length you will need to go to Home Depot and pick up this 4 feet piece # I'll be posting the item number the moment I get it. When all you really need is 3/4 inch of it.


    I used a 2 inch thick dense foam and steel plate from a 4 inch electric box behind it to protect my chrono

    No please don't get upset with me for saying that.
    This is a pain in the ***.

    The simple cure:



    Best regards and I wish you all the very best and lots of fun cooking your own ! !
    I had started reading from beginning and guess what after a few pages it was very hard to take in so much information on this post but then that's what I intended to do help share what all I learned from you all.

    Best regards,
    Ajay K. Madan
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    AJ, looks like the pipe cutter method would be an easy,accurate way to trim hulls as well. Thanks, sometimes a picture is just what I need!
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    Pressure signs, watch out for them:



    These are fine and no pressure signs.


    A treat for 20 ga Heavy Nitro Express
    Watch it brother, they are indeed hot and will kill anything in North America:

    Cut down the powder charge by 10 % and load one load at a time by increasing the charge by 1/2 gr at a time using Newer Fiocchi hulls.
    Please do not forget to measure your barrel OD at the muzzle, its important for your safety too. There are plenty of guns out there that have paper thin barrels ! !
    We come here to help but not get anyone of your friends hurt, indeed we are playing with fire ! !
    Best regards,
    Ajay K. Madan
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    Last edited by SuperBlazingSabots; 04-03-2019 at 12:53 PM.

  4. #744
    Wondering how many of you are happy owners of this Spanish Lanber Unifrance 20 or 12 gauge 21" Over/Under Shotgun * Rifled *
    * Silver Engraved Receiver * Manual Extractors * **--** I failed miserably to jump at it when I could have for around $459 each ! !
    What's your opinion, help me out.
    How would you compare it to Russian Baikal over/ under rifled shotgun ?

    If one is using rifled barrel then they do not have to worry about wad slug fiction fit ! !



    The above measurements were taken quite a few years back with only name brand wads in 12 gauge only for .690 RB, .678 RB, Lyman 525 in wad slug and Lee Drive Key slug in wad.
    To help you choose the right wad for 6 to 10 lbs fiction fit in smooth bore.
    You all helped me, now its payback time ! !

    Best regards,
    Ajay K. Madan
    Super Blazing Sabots
    Last edited by SuperBlazingSabots; 01-21-2019 at 02:15 PM.

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    The Best Over/Under Shotguns for Less than $1,000
    It is possible to get a great gun for a good price. https://www.outdoorlife.com/…/best-o...ns-less…

    Here is a Super deal Beretta Model S689 Sable Over and Under Double Rifle with Extra 20 ...Gauge set of barrels
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    Ajay: I really like that Beretta Double Rifle and with a Aimpoint Micro mounted it would be the Pig Gun Deluxe! I guess they were available in .30-06 which works fine for me and with a set of 32" 12ga. barrels the gun would do just about anything you'd want out of a Sporting/Hunting Rifle/Shotgun. And all in one nice case! $7500 for a gun like that is nothing. I have friends who don't think twice about spending $25-50K on a Shotgun or Double Rifle and they aren't rich people. Just dedicated shooters who appreciate the finer thing in life.

    Most are single!

    I'm coming along nicely with my Browning A5 slug gun. Good to hear from you!

    Randy
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    Howdy,I' m on page five in this great thread. Been loading slugs all winter,12 is going good,20 not so good.

    That 575-470 Lee is too tight a fit in Trap Commander for my 870. Really hard to hammer through. Keyholing,too. On the other hand,I get the best accuracy with a 575 ball with the same wad...? Smaller balls/slugs,not as good.

    Ideas? Sizing the slug down?
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    Sizing dies are all essentially the same thing. A certain sized hole in some metal, preferably harder metal, although for sizing lead any steel will do and it doesn't need to be Heat Treated. It does need to be polished to a mirror like finish to prevent lead transfer to the die.

    That's all there is to it.

    Randy
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  9. #749
    Hello and Greetings Randy, You said " Most are single " and willing to spend. No one to stop them from fulfilling their life dreams.

    Hello Petander, You will need plenty of warm coffee to keep you going through the pages. The .575 RB proved to be a fun load yet deadly. Good to teach wife and smaller kids to shoot when toned down a bit.
    Another trick is to add additional .125 nitro card of 28 ga. When you add additional cards below the slug will raise the slug in wad and make the fit not so tight ! !
    575-470 Lee suppose to put one .125 of nitro card, instead try two or three. Try two first ! !

    Last year the going price was $860 now that I came back from India its jacked up to over $1000.
    Mossberg International Silver Reserve II Field Combo 12/20 gauge w/Shell Extractors
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    Best regards,
    Ajay
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    Hey Ajay, been doing a lot of casting and reloading this winter, can't wait for SPRING !!!!!!! First even half way decent day and I'll be making big holes in paper. Brian Capps

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    Hello and Greetings my brother Brian Capps, I did not forget what you did way back when you shipped me a Gift. Thank you.
    Spring is right around the corner and looking forwards to your range report.

    Thanks for stopping-by.

    Best regards,
    Ajay

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    So that's where you were? India? Were you hunting Tigers?

    I see a Decent 12 ga O/U Shotgun as being a very good gun for Tigers,,, shooting off an Elephant.

    Randy
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperBlazingSabots View Post
    Another trick is to add additional .125 nitro card of 28 ga. When you add additional cards below the slug will raise the slug in wad and make the fit not so tight ! !
    575-470 Lee suppose to put one .125 of nitro card, instead try two or three. Try two first ! !



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    Will do,thank you! This is what I did today,I cut a cork in four pieces. One under the wad,one under the slug. It was sitting quite deep - and it was still keyholing. But I like the heavy slug!

    Ballistic Products don't take Pay Pal, I have the hardest time getting cards,felts,corks... I'm at mercy of a finnish importer/vendor and they can be very slow. This is not a shotgun reloading country,nobody stocks these little things. I'd buy a huge assortment of everything if it was available. Another reason to consider those canadian wad punch tools...

    Here is how they sit today:

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    575 balls,a flyer again but I will figure it out. A friend needs these after shoulder surgery, I let him try my 20 gauges and he bought a 870- I'm afraid his 470NE double is coming my way... not so many tigers here but wolves and bears,yes.

    30 yds,no bags.

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    I ordered my Canadian Wad Punch tool on the 19th of Feb, It still isn't here but maybe tomorrow.

    I do like that you are using the diamond targets now. They have really made a difference in my rifle groups. Makes it much easier to align the sights with the target in a repeatable manner,,,, Which is the Key to good groups.

    Randy
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    Greetings Randy, most people hunt Maneater from atop of a machan on tree top, yes the range is 15 to 20 yards. The ones hunting from top of elephants are rich ones.

    Petander, Here is a good example when the bullet don't fit the wad but adding nitro card helps a great deal.
    Sorry Photobucket hacked onto my images, will try again to see if I can find it elsewhere.
    I never ever tried using cork, prefer hard darker nitro cards instead to give our slug a solid base at launch

    Hoping it helps.

    Best regards,
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    Dang hard to get hard wads for me. Soft wads=keyholing,no matter how thick wads.

    But I loaded one of these heavies bacwards and -besides a great one round group- I got a round hole!

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    To be continued.

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    Backwards loading with thicker fiber wads under the slug gave me more round holes than before:

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    Ballistic Products don't take Pay Pal, I have the hardest time getting cards,felts,corks... I'm at mercy of a finnish importer/vendor and they can be very slow. This is not a shotgun reloading country,nobody stocks these little things. I'd buy a huge assortment of everything if it was available. Another reason to consider those canadian wad punch tools...
    I believe much of the stuff from Ballistic Products comes from Italy.

    This site has a very good selection of shotshell components: http://www.siarm.com/ (At one point they shipped ten new paper hulls as a bonus with my order. The hulls were primed - which is a big no-no with the danish postal service - but luckily it came through without problems.)
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    Capt: The vast majority of BPI Wads, DGS, Thug, and Thunderbolt Slugs come from Gualandi of Italy. All their tools are made in USA. Hulls come from various places, mostly Italy.

    Seems like the Italians make most of the good shotgun stuff as well as some of the best shotguns . They also make some pretty neat Reloading Machines. Most of their really High Dollar Shotguns are never seen over here as they end up going to European Royalty. There is a entire Valley in Northern Italy that is devoted to gun making.

    They also make Ferrari's, Lamborghini's, Maserati's, and Fiat owns Chrysler.

    Not to mention some of the Women they produce !

    So Italians good,, and we like Italy!

    Randy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cap'n Morgan View Post
    I believe much of the stuff from Ballistic Products comes from Italy.

    This site has a very good selection of shotshell components: http://www.siarm.com/
    Captain, thank you very much! And this site is in english,too! I found one shop with certain wads in Greece,couldn't use the online shop because it was only in greece language. But it worked with email.

    Now this looks like exactly what I need. All the little cork,felt,card etc wads. Great prices,too. Good,good....

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BP Bronze Point IMR Improved Military Rifle PTD Pointed
BR Bench Rest M Magnum RN Round Nose
BT Boat Tail PL Power-Lokt SP Soft Point
C Compressed Charge PR Primer SPCL Soft Point "Core-Lokt"
HP Hollow Point PSPCL Pointed Soft Point "Core Lokt" C.O.L. Cartridge Overall Length
PSP Pointed Soft Point Spz Spitzer Point SBT Spitzer Boat Tail
LRN Lead Round Nose LWC Lead Wad Cutter LSWC Lead Semi Wad Cutter
GC Gas Check