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    Ajay... not to take anything away from JMort but he certainly wasn't the only one who wanted you back! Many of us here missed you and your posts and are glad to see you back. You have provided a tremendous amount of information and shared generously in your well written and picture loaded posts.

    You were missed by many, believe me!

    Longbow

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    ^^^^^^ what he said!

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    Greetings, it was indeed a pleasure to hear that coming from you my friend Longbow, thank you all so much for that.

    I sure do appreciate it.

    From what I know today had I known that in the 70's and 80's I personally would not have bought any 12 ga guns.





    Cook your own for 20 to 25 cents a " Pop "


    Mouth watering treats:




    To be continued as I am limited to 10 pictures.
    Best regards,
    Ajay K. Madan
    Super Blazing Sabots
    Last edited by SuperBlazingSabots; 10-13-2019 at 03:26 PM.

  4. #824
    To cut the CSD wad I used:

    20 Ga High Power Nitro Express is indeed powerful and very deadly. Be sure to have a Modern gun before you go out and start cooking your own loads ! !




    The trick is once you find your ideal load for Big Game Hunting, just switch over to the Best Federal hull and go hunting ! !
    The Federal hulls do not show pressure signs so easily and thus will not jam up your gun due to high pressures ! !
    All the above information is fine and dandy but without my mentioning the pressure or extraction marks it is incomplete:

    Learn to read those signs for your own safety


    **--** One last advise use Ear plugs before putting on your Ear muff for your hearing protection ! !
    Best regards,
    Ajay K. Madan
    Super Blazing Sabots
    Last edited by SuperBlazingSabots; 10-15-2019 at 12:15 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by longbow View Post
    Ajay... not to take anything away from JMort but he certainly wasn't the only one who wanted you back! Many of us here missed you and your posts and are glad to see you back. You have provided a tremendous amount of information and shared generously in your well written and picture loaded posts.

    You were missed by many, believe me!

    Longbow
    I can attest to that .....

  6. #826
    Greetings, heres loading .410 for defense.




    Regards,
    Ajay K. Madan
    Super Blazing Sabots

  7. #827
    Greetings here is a treat for 28 ga slug shooters.






    The barrel ID being .545 to 550 based on the manufacturer so one could easily use a Lee .500 RB in wad or just Lee six cavity mold for .535 for $50 plus from Lee. Lee also offers a .562 RB mold a double cavity but it might be a tiny bit tight causing leading in the barrel.

    Regards,
    Ajay K. Madan
    Super Blazing Sabots
    Last edited by SuperBlazingSabots; 10-29-2019 at 01:09 PM.

  8. #828
    Time once again has come to start loading up on Gun Powders, Primers, Bullets and if you have some money left buy the gun of your dream. Last time I warned you all about the Powder shortage, within 2 to 4 weeks there was No Gun Powder on the shelf for over a year and prices doubled. This time the situation is different ! !
    **--** Our Crooked, Corrupt, Career politicians want to render us US citizens Helpless by dis arming Americans, to help our homegrown ISIS terrorists
    face no opposition from taking over our country by force , I say First take away their Security Guards and Dis-Arm the politicians first !
    Start loading at least 400 to 600 rounds at least to protect your family ! !
    We are indeed at war right now, Amen.


    20 gauge Super Slug, all the goodies are scattered all over just trying to put them all in one place as long as you have a big pot of Coffee ready to dig-in and enjoy reading ! !

    https://www.americanhunter.org/.../a...un-for-the.../

    https://www.wideopenspaces.com/20-ga...tgun-slugs.../

    https://www.realtree.com/.../deer-hu...ith-a-slug-gun

    https://www.outdoorlife.com/.../shot...n-how-turn.../

    https://www.thefirearmblog.com/.../s...-20ga-slug.../

    https://www.usacarry.com/beyond-buck...look-at-20.../

    https://www.fieldandstream.com/.../2...slug-slingers/

    When you start cooking your own all these feathers help your cap.

    For 12 ga You figure out the wad petal thickness by subtracting the slug thickness:

    Now these dimensions are for Lyman 525 slug in wad

    Due to Photo Bucket holding my images hostage I lost most of our images ! !
    **--** Lets see long before ImGur stays honest.

    A treat for 12 gauge lovers:





    **--** A Solid Sphere is one of the strongest 3 dimensional shape, and will crush the heaviest bones without deforming so easily!
    Shoot for the heavy bones in case of a round ball load, you do not get much blood trail with a RB because a RB has a tendency to tear rather than cut a clean round hole, remember that, Brother!


    **--** Knowing Pressure is our friend. Higher pressures lead to more consistent, cleaner burning loads.
    ** Roll crimping produces lower pressures due to less resistance from the roll crimp.
    I had early on switched to fold crimp while developing our loads and to make it easier on my friends not having to go out and buy yet another tool ( Roll Crimper )

    **--** When developing newer loads always use newer Fiocchi hull as they tend to show pressure signs early on for safety and once your load is developed switch over to newer Federal hull for hunting for a smoother action when the golden moment comes for that trophy you don't want the gun to mail function or turn into a single shot Nitro Express ! !

    Wise Tip's for Nito Express Slug loader's, Old is still Gold ! !

    " Old is Gold " the old theory still goes, accuracy from a shotgun slug is still a function of two things

    1. A good gas seal.

    2. Centering the slug in the bore with a snug fit through out the barrel.

    Achieve those two and you can shoot as well as many big game heavy rifles.

    Since efficiency and accuracy is our prime goal, we need all components to Rhyme with one another and work together hand in hands.

    Saboted Slugs are more aerodynamic, because they are encased in a bore-filling, fall-away plastic sleeve ( the Sabot ) which allows the shotgun to shoot a much more efficient projectile.

    Let's make the right choices:

    1. Choose your components wisely to custom tailor your loads for efficiency!

    2. We need good quality straight walled hulls that are made strong enough to SAAMI
    specification's but will show pressure sign's after a certain pressure level is reached for safety!

    3. Very important to know that certain powders require A Magnum Primer like Alliant Steel for
    example, needs a Fed.209A or CCI.209M!
    Stick with only top name brand primer's that are made to SAAMI specification's like Fed. 209,
    CCI 209, Win. 209 and Fio.616 only for regular primer's for our slug / sabot loads.

    4. Very important, your OP wad must form a good barrier between the powder gases and the
    rest of your wad column, therefore your wad under ideal situation should have longer skirts
    and if your gun has longer forcing cone all the more important for sealing powder gases!

    There goes your load efficiency down the drain:

    5. Let's give it some solid support, add a stronger darker nitro card to transmit the driving forces
    evenly, when ever possible try to incorporate a .250" nitro card in between.

    6. When ever possible try adding a good Felt wad of 1/4, 3/8 or 1/2 inch to help reduce the felt recoil!
    I really love the darker felt fiber wads as they are made well and perform great, but are almost 2 1/2 to 3 time more costlier when compared to the cheaper felt wads from Circle Fly on the right!

    7. Top your Felt wad with a stronger darker nitro card, is like giving it a solid foundation to
    transmit the driving forces evenly and help support the Sabot from below to keep plasma gas
    blow-by from melting the Sabots!

    8. Your Sabots with the proper bullet should be a real tight fit in your rifled barrel and a properly
    designed sabot should not tag along for a free ride piggy back, instead should release the bullet
    immediately and drop off in the first 10 to 25 yard line and not any further!

    **When it comes to smooth bore then your slug in wad needs to be a snug fit enough to require
    6 to 8 lbs pressure to push it through with a wooden dowel and if any more then your pressure's are sure to be high!

    Watch out for your safety comes first!

    9. It is very important that you seat the slug all the way home, use 50 to 60 lbs wad pressure to ensure that.

    10. Try using a harder alloys for casting your slugs for use in Sabots, this way you reduce any chances of distortion at setback when fired allowing the slug to maintain its shape!

    11. A fold crimp will further enhance ignition as the pressures are known to be much higher with fold crimp, you also need a bit less powder this way!

    12. A clean cut rifling will engage the Slug / Sabot far better and impart the required spin for stability in flight for a greater gyroscopic stability that are harder to knock of course, and thus produce massive centrifugal force to help release the bullet instantly from the sabot.

    13. Under ideal hunting situation all you fire is one shot, in some cases may be two the most.
    Does it not make sense to do all your slug testing from a cold barrel and fire two shots to see how well your gun holds the accuracy under ideal hunting situation!
    When testing Slugs or Sabots, three shot group is all you need and pause between shots to let the barrel cool down a bit!

    14. Most loads are more accurate when you tone them down by 2 to 3 gr below Max, and the recoil is easy to digest and won't kick like a mule, that will help you shoot better!

    15. Most Auto loaders and Pump shotguns shoot far better if you tighten the barrel lug all the way then back-off one notch to relieve excess pressure on the barrel. Follow this procedure every time you venture out for a hunt ! !

    16. Polishing your guns forcing cones will definitely help as it has tool marks that the manufacturers failed to polish, its a simple do it yourself project ! !

    Put it in a hand drill and polish it with the feel, let your 6th sense help you here ! !

    Have the knowledge and exposure to " push the loading envelope" to the Max!

    Knowledge not shared, is knowledge lost!

    **--** My opinions are my own. They carry no 'special' value (except to me of course)
    Above all I really enjoyed writing this post!



    Ajay Madan
    Super Blazing Sabots
    www.BlazingSabots.com
    BlazingSabots@Gmail.com
    http://www.facebook.com/BlazingSabots?ref=hl
    http://slugshooting.accountsupport.com/ ... wforum.php
    http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthr ... ot!/page1
    http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/view...f=118&t=470417
    http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/view...f=118&t=196961
    http://www.deeranddeerhunting.com/fo...p?f=43&t=39246
    http://www.go2gbo.com/forums/slug-gu...old-is-gold-!

    PS: The above information is only for my Elite Musketeer Group only so I quietly keep adding more and more to the same post loading it with pure 24 carat Gold,
    I'm trying to maintain a low key by just adding more helpful information to help my fellow Brother put meat on the table for pennies a Pop ! !
    You all know who all supported me now its payback time, I'm supporting you.
    Last edited by SuperBlazingSabots; 12-12-2019 at 01:32 PM.

  9. #829
    High time you all start stocking Powder, Bullets, Primers and start loading for we are at war.
    Based on where you live you will need to decide if you need to load 400, 600 or 800 rounds to fight and be able to save if need be the ones you love ! !

    TIME TO SERIOUSLY RETHINK, ARE WE TRYING TO TURN U S INTO MIDDLE EAST
    Such a shame it has come to this now, disarming US citizens in favor of the
    Jihad i fighters to render us helpless when they start decapitating innocent Americans! !
    Sharia Law ! !

    **--** How did our Crooked, Corrupt Past Presidents ignore
    Jihad i Fighter Training Camps located all over America for decades?
    Were they too on Middle East Payroll to openly betray America ! !

    Did They Not Take An Oath Of Office to Protect America ! !
    Or was it to “ Protect Middle East so they can by Force Conquer The World ”

    100% Video Proof of Radical Muslim Terrorist Training Camps in America -
    Bill O'Reilly
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M37z1MBvT7k...


    * * Betraying Traitor Barack Hussein Gave thousands of free guns to Mexican Drug Cartel to kill our
    Border Patrol Agents
    * * Running Covert Gun Smuggling for Jihad i Fighters in Benghazi in favor of US Embassy
    personnel sacrificed !
    * * Arming and financing Iran with 170 Billions to cause terror through out the World !

    Its going to be a blood bath and thousands will die in the streets, others states will rise against the
    Gun Ban to protect their families.

    **--** Now they want to disarm American citizens to render them Helpless. ( Defenseless )
    when the terror strikes America from all the Jihad i Training Camps to be-head, decapitate Innocent
    Americans ! !
    Turn US in to Middle East, like Europe and UK already facing challenges.

    The president could declare a state of emergency and run a 3rd term.
    It will take that long to drain the swamp and get all the evil out of the
    white house so we can have prosperity again ! !


    “ Epidemic of Dishonesty, Treason & Betrayal by our Congress, Senate, FBI, Past Presidents, ”
    Why reward them by giving life time Salary, Benefits, Security for constantly being on
    Recess, Free Sex through our Tax Payers Funded Millions in “ Hush Funds”
    Govt. gets shut down and No Bills get passed except their own Raises, Quietly ! !

    Remember last time I asked you all to buy powder etc, within a few weeks there was no powder etc and shelf's were completely empty for the longest time, now that its available but don't forget the prices doubled in the meantime ! !
    A couple of years back I was visiting a Ammo loading shop in VA and I asked the owner what do you think as they are trying disarm US citizens and he replied back " There will be blood on the streets all over as we Virginians do not let anyone take our guns "
    We need to Crush all those even thinking about disarming us in favor of Jihad i fighters all over America ! !
    Start loading Ammo, now.
    Far better to have and not need than need and not have ! !

    This civil war already starting in VA and now will spread like wild fire in 2020 all over America ! !
    We all need to rise to help protect our rights to bear arms.
    Our Crooked, Corrupt Politicians are working Diligently on the path of Jihad against America, to bring
    Sharia Law in the name of “ God’s cause & Saudi Payroll to openly betray America ”


    Ajay Madan
    Super Blazing Sabots
    www.BlazingSabots.com
    BlazingSabots@Gmail.com
    http://www.facebook.com/BlazingSabots?ref=hl
    http://slugshooting.accountsupport.com/ ... wforum.php
    http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthr ... ot!/page1
    http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/view...f=118&t=470417
    http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/view...f=118&t=196961
    http://www.deeranddeerhunting.com/fo...p?f=43&t=39246
    http://www.go2gbo.com/forums/slug-gu...old-is-gold-!

    PS: The above information is only for my Elite Musketeer Group only so I quietly keep adding more and more to the same post loading it with pure 24 carat Gold,
    I'm trying to maintain a low key by just adding more helpful information to help my fellow Brother put meat on the table for pennies a Pop ! !
    You all know who all supported me now its payback time, I'm supporting you.
    Last edited by SuperBlazingSabots; 12-23-2019 at 12:57 PM.

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    Ajay: Thanks for sharing the above links and for the post. Twenty years ago I wouldn't have thought things could get so far off track that if would come down to shots fired to protect what's left of our freedom, now I'm not so sure. Anyway, I do believe it to be a very good idea to stock up now while you can. If the liberals get into a majority we are in for rough times.Gp

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    The Liberals aren't looking too strong right now. Just look at what happened in the UK this last week. Conservatives won by a landslide and the Liberals here are shaking in their boots that it is a Harbinger of things to come . They really showed their butts in this Impeachment Farse, and People are sick of it! Many of those who supported them are jumping ship because they see that the far left insanity has gone way too far.

    Still it's a good idea to have ample Reloading Supplies on hand at all times, and this should extend to include Rifle, Pistol and Shotgun supplies.

    Randy
    "It's not how well you do what you know how to do,,,It's how well you do what you DON'T know how to do!"
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    Shotgun Slug Accuracy Tips from the American Slug Shooting Association
    https://www.fieldandstream.com/artic...-slug-shooter/

    Please read and enjoy.
    Ajay K. Madan
    Super Blazing Sabots

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    Merry Christmas, Ajay and family..........

    Thanks for the link, good reading.

    HV in SC
    "Assuming I'm just an old man was your first mistake"

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    Greetings Hi Velocity, Merry Christmas to you and your family, so wonderful when friends wish each other Merry Christmas ! !
    I wish you all my dear friends A Merry Christmas.



    Best regards,
    Ajay K. Madan
    Super Blazing Sabots

  15. #835
    Guns, Ammo ‘Flying Off The Shelves’ In Virginia As Dems Pursue Confiscation ://www.dailywire.com/news/guns-ammo-flying-off-the-shelves-in-virginia-as-dems-pursue-confiscation?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social &utm_campaign=pastorholmes&fbclid=IwAR25vKfXnOl2Ly oo6b6SAaO8ux4E0dMBkOtnVPnKhq1KhxfXSLejFssvzYI

    Buy all the powder, primers, hulls and bullets you will need for the next 3 to 5 years till they come back in stock with triple the prices.
    Load up at least 400 rounds just in case, better to have and not need than need and not have ! !
    Its going to be a blood bath and thousands will die in the streets,
    others states will rise against the Gun Ban to protect their families.


    **--** Now they want to disarm American citizens to render us
    Helpless. ( Defenseless )
    when the terror strikes America from all the
    " Jihad i Fighter Training Camps " to be-head, decapitate Innocent
    Americans from all over ! !

    Best regards,
    Ajay K. Madan
    Super Blazing Sabots
    Last edited by SuperBlazingSabots; 01-03-2020 at 03:36 PM.

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    AJ: I can't agree more. I am really fed up with this attempted Communist Takeover of this country by chipping away at the 2A and our rights in general. They have to get rid of the guns so they can do whatever they want!

    Why is Geo Soros who just bought the Virginia Election still alive? Why is that Black Faced Gov still in office when others who did the exact same thing were excoriated into oblivion? I have never seen such rampant corruption in this country going unchallenged in my life..

    The Democrats have gone insane, and they are being run from the Far Left by the "Justice Democrats" (google them for a fun read) who are Democratic Socialists just like Joseph Stalin. They have one goal and that is to destroy this country from within, and right now the only thing stopping them is Trump!!!

    They have taken over the news media and the only thing on our side is Fox News!

    If all of the people who were involved in the Attempted Trump Coup of Trump don't go to jail for TREASON we have effectively lost this country, and it will be time to invoke the 2A for its intended purpose. (IE: to save the Republic.)

    If Congress isn't stopped from constantly Lying to the American Public we will see our Freedom squandered in the name of Democratic Control of everything which will lead to our destruction. How can it be a crime to lie to Congress when they do it every day to us?

    Adam Schiff? Biggest Liar in the history of the Republic, a title formerly owned by Barack Obama of "If you like your doctor you can keep it?" fame. Schiff is Guilty of Treason! Why is he still out of jail?

    Cuz Congress can write their own rules? Why is that? Regular Laws don't apply to them. I thought no one was above the Law?

    Yes load a bunch, and shoot a bunch, as your proficiency with firearms maybe tested soon. And us older guys are probably going to be on the Front Lines so you better get good!

    Happy New Year!

    Randy
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    Some of us here may be a little old and weak to be front line for the Republic but that doesn't mean we can't use our know how in support of those young and strong enough to stand up for our rights. (This should be in the Pit most likely. Mods feel free to delete) Gp

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    High time you all buy Powder, Primers, Hulls, Wads and Lead to cast your own and prepare for this upcoming war.
    They say " Make love, but be prepared for war "

    Our President Trump : Your 2nd Amendment is under very serious attack in the Great Commonwealth of Virginia.
    That’s what happens when you vote for Democrats, they will take your guns away.
    Republicans will win Virginia in 2020. Thank you Dems!

    **--** I personally think they choose a wrong state to mess with, the Virginians will rather die than give up their guns ! !

    Virginia governor declares 'state of emergency' as militias prepare to march on Richmond
    https://www.wnd.com/2020/01/northam-...fYhMTqd-7N_az4

    The Pope and UN have been after disarming innocent American citizens.


    To the Moderator
    To help navigate things better please:
    Make Sticky post on
    A. Sabots ( 12 and 20 gauge )
    B. Slugs ( Full bore & Slug in wad )
    C. Round Ball ( 12 and 20 gauge )
    D. Buck & Slug
    E. Buck shots
    F. Tri-Ball
    G. Bird shot

    Change the ratting of the post to :
    ***** Excellent with full documentation ( No one writing their post should be allowed to give themselves a 5 Stars )
    **** Excellent ( No one writing their post should be allowed to give themselves any ratings )
    *** Good helpful post
    ** OK helpful information
    * Nothing to brag about.
    I hope you are reading the message, these changes are to help improve our forum ! !
    You can't make everyone happy, but think about it ! !


    No 1, I’m reading the message. Sticky’s are reserved for threads of extraordinary content as determined by views/replies. Your VDO Blazing Sabot thread seems to be #1 for views/replies so it will be a sticky but no other thread currently qualifies for “Sticky” status.
    **--** Special thanks goes out to No 1 for honoring me with that down to earth caring comments, by making my post a sticky ! !

    What a beautiful collection of High Power Nitro Express Savage Slug guns, take a look:
    https://www.savagearms.com/content?p=firearms&a=SlugGun

    We could ask this company for Donut wad puncher on special order if we have enough buyers at $33
    https://www.amazon.com/Capri-Tools-C...TZ8JJJD7HKN0C4

    Here are the basic regular hole punches: https://www.google.com/search?q=wad+...SbXTkGYEfynDM:

    **--** Get the coffee pot ready, 5 Reasons to Run a Tactical 20 Gauge
    https://www.gunsamerica.com/digest/5...un-a-20-gauge/

    **--** Top 6 High-Capacity Shotguns of 2019
    https://blog.cheaperthandirt.com/top...shotguns-2018/

    **--** 23 High Capacity Tactical Shotguns For Sale in 2019
    https://www.usa-gun-shop.com/7-*****...-mag-capacity/

    The Truth About Shotgun Ammo: 6 Questions Answered at Federal's High-Tech Range
    https://www.fieldandstream.com/artic...t-shogun-ammo/

    Best regards,
    Ajay K. Madan
    Super Blazing Sabots
    Here is my workshop loaded with information:
    http://slugshooting.accountsupport.c...forum.php?f=32
    Last edited by SuperBlazingSabots; 02-08-2020 at 08:23 AM.

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Abbreviations used in Reloading

BP Bronze Point IMR Improved Military Rifle PTD Pointed
BR Bench Rest M Magnum RN Round Nose
BT Boat Tail PL Power-Lokt SP Soft Point
C Compressed Charge PR Primer SPCL Soft Point "Core-Lokt"
HP Hollow Point PSPCL Pointed Soft Point "Core Lokt" C.O.L. Cartridge Overall Length
PSP Pointed Soft Point Spz Spitzer Point SBT Spitzer Boat Tail
LRN Lead Round Nose LWC Lead Wad Cutter LSWC Lead Semi Wad Cutter
GC Gas Check