Using a hand press in public.

[mrjog]

Here was a reply that I received from the state police.


Please be advised that Virginia State Police employees cannot give legal
advice, nor interpret the law for members of the public. Persons
needing legal advice may contact Virginia Lawyer Referral Service at
1-800-552-7977 to be referred to a private attorney for a 30-minute
consultation for a pre-paid fee of $35.00.

Sincerely,

Donna K. Tate, Manager
Firearms Transaction Center
Department of State Police
http://www.vsp.state.va.us/Firearms.shtm

Post Office Box 85608 / Richmond, Virginia 23285-5608 / Tel:
804-674-2210 / Fax: 804-674-2791

[Sasquatch-1]

Here was a reply that I received from the state police.


Please be advised that Virginia State Police employees cannot give legal
advice, nor interpret the law for members of the public. Persons
needing legal advice may contact Virginia Lawyer Referral Service at
1-800-552-7977 to be referred to a private attorney for a 30-minute
consultation for a pre-paid fee of $35.00.

Sincerely,

Donna K. Tate, Manager
Firearms Transaction Center
Department of State Police
http://www.vsp.state.va.us/Firearms.shtm

Post Office Box 85608 / Richmond, Virginia 23285-5608 / Tel:
804-674-2210 / Fax: 804-674-2791

Try the States Attourny for Virginia. Write a request and snail mail it.

[3006guns]

You'd be surprised at how little even State Police know about guns, their components, ballistics & even the governing laws. Not all, but many law enforcement people have never hunted nor picked up a firearm prior to police training. What they know is only what the academy has taught them. I think that a complete understanding of the dymamics of firearms should be taught.
Once my house was vandalized & two firearms stolen. The police came and together we looked throughout my property to see if anything else was destroyed and/or missing. When I took the officer to my shop his eyes got as big as saucers when he surveyed the loading equipment, containers of cast bullets & components in general. I guess he thought that he had just walked into an ammo dump. He was speechless. To me it was just normal for one to be in possession of all of what my shop contained. I grew up with all of that kind of stuff.
After talking to him about the shooting sports & my knowledge of reloading & ballistics in general, he said that I knew more about firearms than anyone on the city police force. I told him that my knowledge was limited compared to others I knew. (Such as people on this site & other shooting forums)
It was then that I realized how uneducated even law enforcement is when it comes to firearms knoweledge. This post is not meant to criticize any police officer but only to make poignant that there are few that are educated in our sport.
In closing I must say that it is due mainly to ignorance that our 2nd amendment rights have been put in jeopardy.

Pigslayer, that was an excellent (and very accurate) post.

[3006guns]

Here was a reply that I received from the state police.


Please be advised that Virginia State Police employees cannot give legal
advice, nor interpret the law for members of the public. Persons
needing legal advice may contact Virginia Lawyer Referral Service at
1-800-552-7977 to be referred to a private attorney for a 30-minute
consultation for a pre-paid fee of $35.00.

Sincerely,

Donna K. Tate, Manager
Firearms Transaction Center
Department of State Police
http://www.vsp.state.va.us/Firearms.shtm

Post Office Box 85608 / Richmond, Virginia 23285-5608 / Tel:
804-674-2210 / Fax: 804-674-2791

So, they can't provide "leagal advice", yet the cop on the beat can tell you (right before your arrest) if what you're doing is legal or illegal? Sounds pretty convenient to me!

[mrjog]

I've already received responses from other sources. I just thought I would share this one because it rubbed me the wrong way.

[BAGTIC]

From a book of quotations of tombstone epitaphs.

This one is about a man whose sailing dinghy was run down by a steamship.

Here lies the body of John Day
Who died disputing the right away
Right as right as the day is long
Just as dead as though he had been wrong.


But then there always are a few who insist on being right regardless of the consequences.

[Tracy]

So, they can't provide "leagal advice", yet the cop on the beat can tell you (right before your arrest) if what you're doing is legal or illegal? Sounds pretty convenient to me!

Actually, that was a good answer. Cops are neither lawmakers nor lawyers, and it is a bad idea to expect or accept legal advice from them.

As for being hassled by the cop on the street and maybe even arrested for some law that doesn't exist or that the cop doesn't fully understand, the fault for that lies squarely at the feet of "we the people." We allow cops far more power than they legally have (I know you are fully aware of this; I read your posts above) and do not hold them responsible when they overstep their bounds. When we the people start demanding that police be held accountable for their statements and actions same as the rest of us are, we will all be better off.

[troyboy]

I thought the police worked for us. We pay the bills or so I thought. I would not reload in public. No reason. I would not open carry either. Makes poeple nervous. When I carry it is hidden. Speak softly and carry a big stick. If you are in somebody elses buisness follow his rules. When you are in your establishment do as you please.

[OBIII]

Sorta makes me want to set up my reloading station right at the fence in my front yard, rural area, not a whole lot of traffic, but I bet anyone who stopped would want to get into a conversation about reloading, not about my doing something "nasty".

[mrjog]

Maybe it makes me weird, but I like the idea of cranking on my handpress during times when I would otherwise just be sitting there. What did uncle Ricco tell Nepoleon Dynomite? "You might as well do something, while you're doing nothing."

[Lead Fred]

I thought the police worked for us.

Sorry, Its their state now

[Just Duke]

mrjog,



I would never do something like that in Seattle, the yuppies would freak out. Probably get arrested for causing a riot. However in saner parts of the country I wouldn't hesitate.



Cat

http://www.redcounty.com/content/ope...ks-coffee-guns
When we published this article in the Federal Way Mirror on Saturday, June 11, 2011, the story was already over a year old. Nevertheless, it was picked up in the Seattle PI online and I am told it was their third most viewed article. But the surprise is how seriously some people took it and the degree of hostility expressed in some of the comments:

"But the author loses me with his ranting and raving about tyranny and first amendment etc. It is just this kind of whacko talk that makes radical gun nuts so scary. If they really believe this nonsense about the advance of tyranny, next thing you know they'll be murdering people in the street for not being whacko conservative enough. The vast, overwhelming majority of tyranny in the world's history is right-wing tyranny. This country fought too hard to defeat Fascism and Nazism to stand by and let their ideological brethren take over this country with flimsy excuses and cheap scare tactics. (Read Mein Kampf to see that Adolf Hitler based the vast majority of National Socialism directly on American conservatism. Fact!)"

The editor of the Mirror thought that the bumper sticker was worth taking a look at. Who would think that the response would be positively viral! Incidentally, as most of us realize, any conservative rhetoric from the Fuehrer bore little resemblance to modern American Conservatism with our emphasis on individualism and limited Constitutional government. National Socialism consciously emulated a great deal that was born out of the American Progressive Movement- Margaret Sanger and her eugenics theories being a notable case in point!

By MARK KNAPP
Federal Way Mirror The Firearms Lawyer
Jun 10 2011, 1:11 PM · UPDATED



About a year ago, the Brady Campaign warned that “gun rights” activists were converging on Washington, D.C., seething with threats of right-wing violence.

Of course, the Brady Campaign rejected the “bumper sticker logic” of the gun lobby. The gun control group called for a new reality-based discussion of guns and violence.

Someone at the Brady Center wrote a book titled “Lethal Logic: Exploding the Myths that Paralyze American Gun Policy.” The author dissected the superficial appeal of bumper sticker logic (e.g., when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns).

While I don’t normally display bumper stickers, I am convinced that the stickers provide profound sociological data. Which brings us to the question posed in today’s column: What does it mean that the Starbucks lady is now on a bumper sticker carrying a handgun?

In California a few years ago, some folks were offended by fellow coffee drinkers in Starbucks (and other spots) with pistols and revolvers visibly hanging from their hips. Organizations like the Brady Center, which wants to take guns away from the rest of us, demanded that armed customers be prohibited from such publicly “lethal” expressions of free speech.

Some retailers reacted by announcing a “no guns” policy. Starbucks, on the other hand, allowed guns in its stores. The anti-gun groups held demonstrations around the U.S. to try and coerce Starbucks into changing its policy. The demonstrations spread to Seattle and resulted in swarms of reporters, demonstrators and armed caffeine addicts intermingling in an exchange of viewpoint that could have become lethal to Starbucks’ profit and loss statement.

Did the Brady Campaign encourage the bumper stickers in order to shame the coffee chain? Or did the open-carry crowd adopt the image as a means of trumpeting their victory over the progressing forces of tyranny?

There has always been a certain mystery surrounding the Starbucks lady with the star above her head. Her mermaid-like mien is normally encompassed by porpoise tails. Thus, the image of her brandishing a gun could be a shout of indignation against environmentalism — or even a new breed of environmental radicalism?

Maybe she is just a symbol of Seattle rising amid the splendors of an Emerald Sea. The Starbucks logo certainly offers something for everyone.

The next time you visit a Starbucks, thank your favorite barista for keeping us caffeinated and for protecting our First and Second Amendment rights. And give the Starbucks lady the respect she deserves for sticking to her guns!

[Just Duke]

mrjog,



I would never do something like that in Seattle, the yuppies would freak out. Probably get arrested for causing a riot. However in saner parts of the country I wouldn't hesitate.



Cat

http://news.starbucks.com/article_di...article_id=332

[Just Duke]

I'd still much rather watch the girls ...)

[CollinLeon]

Here was a reply that I received from the state police.


Please be advised that Virginia State Police employees cannot give legal
advice, nor interpret the law for members of the public. Persons
needing legal advice may contact Virginia Lawyer Referral Service at
1-800-552-7977 to be referred to a private attorney for a 30-minute
consultation for a pre-paid fee of $35.00.

Sincerely,

Donna K. Tate, Manager
Firearms Transaction Center
Department of State Police
http://www.vsp.state.va.us/Firearms.shtm

Post Office Box 85608 / Richmond, Virginia 23285-5608 / Tel:
804-674-2210 / Fax: 804-674-2791

Ask two lawyers the same question and you'll probably get two different answers... Even if you are obviously innocent of a crime, it doesn't stop the jackbooted thugs from arresting you and the DA from "making an example of you" even though he knows that you are not guilty of any crime. If they don't like your beliefs, they can make an example of you by charging you with something and then you'll have to hire a lawyer to defend yourself. By making you spend money on a lawyer, they have effectively economically punished you, all the while putting money into the pockets of one of their fellow lawyers. The only one's whose opinion counts is the DA since he is the one who will be prosecuting you.

[grendelbane]

I have spent many an hour on the deck of my house, in full view of the street, using My Lee press. Also, many hous spent there re-finishing guns.

Never would I have thought that some one might conclude I was performing an illegal activity!

One of the virtues of living in a small town, I suppose.

[CollinLeon]

I have spent many an hour on the deck of my house, in full view of the street, using My Lee press. Also, many hous spent there re-finishing guns.

Never would I have thought that some one might conclude I was performing an illegal activity!

One of the virtues of living in a small town, I suppose.

One of the virtues of living in an area where they still believe in personal freedom... I had the misfortune to be visiting NYC a few years ago and learned that you cannot even sit on the door steps of your brownstone house and drink a beer... The leftist idiots up there classify it as "drinking in public" even if you are on your own property... I guess that's why they were saying, "9/11 -- Couldn't happen to a nicer town"...

I don't reload in public, but I see nothing wrong with it... I reload in the privacy of my air-conditioned home with my kegerator very nearby... I live on the Gulf Coast and there's no way that I want to go outside and feed the mosquitoes while sweating my *** off just so that I can say that I reload outside... I smelt lead outside... I cast bullets in my garage with the garage door open... I do the rest of the reloading in a nice air-conditioned room...

[mrjog]

This incident makes me wonder about how general public misconceptions can or will affect our gun freedoms.

A lot of people are mentioning that they prefer to reload at home in the AC. Well, I do too! I mean, who doesn't? But if I find myself in a situation where I can be using the handpress rather than just sitting there, then I'll do it. I have yet to meet someone that prefers to reload with a handpress, or in public. It's kind of like how I prefer to take a dump on my own toilet, but I'll use a public one if it is more convenient at the moment.

[CollinLeon]

This incident makes me wonder about how general public misconceptions can or will affect our gun freedoms.

A lot of people are mentioning that they prefer to reload at home in the AC. Well, I do too! I mean, who doesn't? But if I find myself in a situation where I can be using the handpress rather than just sitting there, then I'll do it. I have yet to meet someone that prefers to reload with a handpress, or in public. It's kind of like how I prefer to take a dump on my own toilet, but I'll use a public one if it is more convenient at the moment.

So, the question now is whether we reload our ammo while on the toilet?

[Sasquatch-1]

One of the virtues of living in an area where they still believe in personal freedom... I had the misfortune to be visiting NYC a few years ago and learned that you cannot even sit on the door steps of your brownstone house and drink a beer...

If you ever find yourself in Washington, D. C. They have the same drinking in public law. Only knew one officer who ever tried to inforce it and he went on to become a deputy chief. Just shows he was more suited for a desk then the street.