Win 452 AA Powder

[Boz330]

5gr for a 200gr 45 should be a good place to start. I think that I was loading 5.2 for cold weather and 5.4 for hot wearther. I will try to look it up tonite if I remember. $50 was about what I was paying in the mid 80s for a 10 pounder. I think it started at 48 and was about 55 when it was discontinued. I really did like it for IPSC competition once I knew it's quirks. Recoil and thus target acquisition was very mild.

Bob

[BerdanIII]

Winchester 452AA Loads from the Speer manual:

Caliber Bullet Charge Vel.
.32 S&W Long 90 Speer HBWC 1.6 674
1.8 737
.32 H&R Magnum 100 Speer Plinker 4.4 953
4.9 990
90 Speer HBWC 2.3 780
2.5 811
.32-20 WCF 100 Speer Plinker 7.3 1424
8.1 1476
110 Speer Varminter 6.8 1313
7.4 1339
110 Speer Spire Point, Round Nose 6.8 1246
7.4 1295
130 Speer HP, Flat Nose 6.4 1159
7.1 1217
.380 ACP 95 Speer TMJ 3.3 913
3.7 1016
9mm Parabellum 124 Speer TMJ 4.9 1064
5.4 1142
.38 Super 95 Speer TMJ 6.5 1316
7.2 1336
.38 S&W 110 Speer HP 3.0 796
3.3 857
125 Speer SP, HP 3.1 792
3.4 844
148 Speer BBWC 2.9 703
Crimped in top lube groove 3.2 736
.38 Special 148 Speer BBWC 2.8 772
3.1 802
148 Speer HBWC 2.8 743
3.1 787
158 Speer LSWC, LRN, LSWC HP 3.6 763
4.0 842
110 Speer HP 4.5 934
+P 5.4 1072
.357 Magnum 148 Speer HBWC 3.0 758
3.3 812
158 Speer LSWC, LSWC HP 5.0 960
5.5 1004
110 Speer HP 12.5 1434
13.5 1488
125 Speer SP, HP 10.5 1261
11.5 1349
.41 Magnum 220 Speer SP 8.3 1004
9.3 1052
.44 Mag. 240 Speer SP, HP, TMJ 12.5 1197
13.5 1205
.45 Auto Rim 200 Speer LSWC 3.5 665
4.0 743
.45 ACP 185 Speer TMJ Match 4.3 757
4.7 819
200 Speer TMJ Combat 5.0 841
5.5 898
200 Speer HP 5.0 868
5.5 916
230 Speer TMJ 4.7 760
5.3 825
260 Speer HP 4.6 712
5.0 786
Note: Per Handloader’s Digest 1994, 13th. Edition, Scot 453 “performs almost Identically to Winchester 452AA”

The table I made was too big to be uploaded.

[garandsrus]

BerdanIII,

Thank you very much! That's a lot of typing...

John

[Guido4198]

Would you be willin to share your Super-lite loads..???
I've worked up a couple, but still have 10# or so of that powder on hand, and don't shoot Trap anymore.
Thanks,
Don

[Bamboo]

Greetings, I was doing some searching for load data on WW 452AA myself this evening and came across this thread. I have three pistol loads for 452AA which I have used for years with great results.

1. .45 ACP (5" bbl) -
180g lead SWC, 5.6 to 5.7 gr, 1.250 OAL, chronos @ 1000 fps on a warm (80 degree) day.

2. .45 ACP (5" bbl) -
200g lead SWC, 5.2 to 5.4 gr, 1.250 OAL, chronos @ 900 fps on a warm (80 degree) day.

3. .38 Super (5" compensated, but not ported race gun, bar-sto fully supported bbl) -
115 g Win. FMJ HB bulk pack bullets, 4.5 to 4.6 gr, 1.263 OAL, chronos @ about 1100 fps on a warm (80 degree) day. Can be down loaded to about 3.5g using this bullet for lighter sub-minor power factor loads (like the steel challenge stuff). This is a very accurate mouse load in the .38 super.


I used 452AA for IPSC in the .45 back in the day, and it is a very good powder for that. Very accurate, soft shooting, and works a compensator well. I still use it in .38 super for minor loads...at least until the last 5 lbs. or so that I have is gone. I don't think I'd be inclined to try and make major power factor with 452AA in the .38 super as when overloaded it starts to show pressure signs (primer flow) pretty quickly. WW540, HS-6, or AA #7 (and now lots of others) are much better for making major in the .38 Super.

Anyway, just wanted to share that data as I know finding loads for 452AA can be pretty hard these days. Also, Thank You BerdanIII for posting the speer data.

[old wanderer]

I used to love the 452AA back in the early 80's when I was shooting 2 or 3 weekends a month of IPSC.

Tonight I was looking through some "stuff" trying to find my 200 Gr bullet mold, when I found I still had a 1/2 keg of 452AA and almost a full keg of 472AA...

I carry a 45 Kimber, and have been kicking myself about not practicing enough..

I used to make major with 5.3 Gr of 452AA, but was not aware of the reverse temp sensitivity of this powder.

I belong to a range near Seattle, that keeps a log on the fire, in a enclosed pistol shooting range, and stays open till 10 PM. so no more excuses. tomorrow I will turn 50# of ingots into some 200 Gr boolits, figure out the right rotor for my Lil dandy powder measure, and load up some brass that has been sitting in boxes for 20 years.

It's about time that Hi So Kimber gets hot and dirty.

[Reload3006]

452AA is indeed a shotgun powder but it has many documented uses in pistol. As most of you know Olin sold off their powder division to Hodgdon and Hodgdon no longer supports or produces WW 452AA My Speer #9 Manual lists several loads using that powder so if your like me and have a lot of it to use up there is a good place to go.

[Vinne]

452AA is mainly used in 12 ga shotgun loads. It came after 473AA. Both are great powders but very fine powders and sometimes leaks out a little around the bushing onto the bench. I can try to dig up some loading info for you, just PM me.

[swheeler]

GRUS; look in your Speer Number 11, there is limited data for 9mm, 38 spcl, 357 and 45ACP.

[bobthenailer]

Would you be willin to share your Super-lite loads..???
I've worked up a couple, but still have 10# or so of that powder on hand, and don't shoot Trap anymore.
Thanks,
Don

The only load i have for WSL is 5.0 gr in the 45 acp with a Saeco #63 170 gr swc and #068 200gr swc but these 2 loads are super accurate out of all of my 45acp handguns . I only have a few thousand loaded and probley about a pound or a little more left in the keg.

[Rick459]

garandsrus,
in my Speer reloading manual #11 it shows 452AA being used in .38 special ,357mag. and .45acp.. what grain bullets do you plan on using in .38 special and .357mag. and i will relay the info to you from the manual.
Rick

[w30wcf]

A question for users of 452AA.

Several years ago a elderly fellow I knew passed away. I was asked to go through his reloading stuff. I came across an unmarked container of powder that is kind of buff colored.

I did a density check using Lee powder dippers and it is just about spot on to 452AA.

My question - Is 452AA a buff colored powder?

Thank you,
w30wcf

[Rick459]

w30wcf
here is a photo of the 452AA that i have. i hope that this picture helps you as it is the best i can do with the camera i have.
Rick

[w30wcf]

Rick,
Thank you for the pic. Hmmm..... The powder my friend had does not look like that. I'll post a pic later this week to see if anyone might have an idea of what it might be.

Thank you again,

w30wcf