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Greetings Longbow, you always look on the brighter side, a perfect gentleman.
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Last edited by SuperBlazingSabots; 04-02-2012 at 03:52 PM.
Anyone know of a hull that could be substituted for the blue magic hull for these loads? I know thats tricky buisness but im very interested!
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Hello Mr Jake, you can safely switch the hull for the same length hull but do not change any other components provided you drop the charge by 2 grains and gradually come up with the charge 1/2 grain at a time while watching for any pressure signs!
For 20 gauge lovers:
For 10 gauge lovers:
Hoping it helps fill your freezer!
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Last edited by SuperBlazingSabots; 06-20-2013 at 05:01 PM.
Thanks VDO do you happen to know off hand the length of those hulls? I do not have any of those to measure.
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Good morning Mr.Jake, the loads call for regular 2 3/4 inch and 3 inch hulls in 20 and 12 gauge.
Read the data carefully and they are all marked as to for what hull length they are for.
Hoping it helps fill your freezer!
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Thanks VDO! I was under the impression that different hulls of the same length could have different volumes that could create pressure problems but im glad to here it wont. That makes things alot more simple. I plan to try these in AA 2 3/4" hulls as soon as i get the appropriate powder and wadscand primers.
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Hello Mr. Jake, each hull has a different volume but if you were to drop the charge by 2 grain and try the load in one shell and check for crimp index, you need about 7/16 to 1/2" hull space for a fold crimp!
If the crimp index is good then only crimp the load and you can come up 1/2 gr at a time while watching for pressure signs like this:
please also remember not all hulls show pressure signs, and some primers do while others do not, since no one is enforcing the safety standards, its a shame and we need to be more carefull!
If in doubt feel free to ask questions.
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Ten four thanks for the info and pictures. You are a great source of information!
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Greetings, here are some suppose to be faster Buck shot loads from BPI approach with caution!
LOAD# BKL121026-4293
HULL: FIOCCHI 12ga 2.75”
PRIMER: FIO616
PROPELLANT: Alliant RED DOT 26.0 Grains
WAD: PT1251 (12ga) 1/8FW20 in wad base
SHOT: NPOO buckshot (308 gr.) 6 pellets (2x3=6) two by two.
FOLD CRIMP: 6-point, OS12 under the crimp
Result: PSI 9600 FPS 1600
LOAD# BKL121026-4294
HULL: FIOCCHI 12ga 2.75”
PRIMER: FIO616
PROPELLANT: Alliant RED DOT 28.0 Grains
WAD: PT1251 (12ga) 1/8FW20 in wad base.
SHOT: NPOO buckshot (308 gr.) 6 pellets (2x3=6) two by two.
FOLD CRIMP: 6-point, OS12 under the crimp
Result: PSI 9800 FPS 1700
LOAD# BKL121026-4295
HULL: FIOCCHI 12ga 2.75”
PRIMER: FIO616
PROPELLANT: Alliant RED DOT 20.0 Grains
WAD: PT1253 (12ga) 1/8FW20 in wad base.
SHOT: NPOO buckshot (410 gr.) 8 pellets (2x4=8) two by two.
FOLD CRIMP: 6-point, OS12 under the crimp
Result: PSI 9300 FPS 1300
LOAD# 121026-4296
HULL: FEDERAL 12ga 2.75” Plastic Base
PRIMER: FED209A
PROPELLANT: Alliant RED DOT 26.0 Grains
WAD: PT1251 (12ga) 1/4FW20 in wad base.
SHOT: NPBB (328 gr.) ¾ oz.
FOLD CRIMP: 6-point + OS12 under crimp
Result: PSI 10200 FPS 1610
LOAD# 121026-4301
HULL: FEDERAL 12ga 2.75” Plastic Base
PRIMER: FED209A
PROPELLANT: Hodgdon INTERNATIONAL CLAYS 28.0 Grains
WAD: PT1251 (12ga) 1/4FW20 in wad base.
SHOT: NPBB (328 gr.) ¾ oz.
FOLD CRIMP: 6-point + OS12 under crimp
Result: PSI 9200 FPS 1615
LOAD# 121022-4267
HULL: FIOCCHI 12ga 2.75”
PRIMER: FIO616
PROPELLANT: Hodgdon INTERNATIONAL CLAYS 26.0 Grains
WAD: PT1251 (12ga) 1/8FW20 in wad base.
SHOT: NP#2 (328 gr.) ¾ oz.
FOLD CRIMP: 6-point + OS12 under crimp
Result: PSI 8100 FPS 1450
LOAD# 121022-4268
HULL: FIOCCHI 12ga 2.75”
PRIMER: FIO616
PROPELLANT: Alliant RED DOT 24.0 Grains
WAD: PT1251 (12ga) (2)1/8FW20 in wad base.
SHOT: NP#2 (328 gr.) ¾ oz.
FOLD CRIMP: 6-point + OS12 under crimp
PSI 8800 FPS 1485
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Greetings,
Nothing will give me more fun than seeing you all blowing up water filled bottles with these Big Shot loads.
We are lucky to be living in such a great country with so many choices to help us shooter's.
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Compare the buckshot article above with this article, also by John Haviland, on Handloading Shotshells for Turkeys.
http://www.riflemagazine.com/magazin...281partial.pdf
Last edited by RMc; 07-06-2013 at 06:51 PM.
Has any one tried the high speed 6 pellet 00 buckshot loads moving at 1600-1700 fps?
Better patterns because it is lighter load and all the pellets are not scrunched together going through end of barrel?
Effective on deer sized targets?
6 pellets with more speed still should equal the same energy as 9 pellet load moving slower?
Why only 6-00? I get 1695 fps with 9-00. It is a pressure safe published load from Ballistic Products.
I load 6-00 for my wife's "keep behind the door" at 1300 fps with bullseye.
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I saw that load in BPI's book using Cheddite hulls.Originally Posted by 375RUGER
IF it will do the same job.........
Was thinking 6 pellets would save me over 30% in amount of pellets I use. With the price / scarcity of lead, that's a big savings.
Was also wondering if the 6 pellet load would pattern better due to less lead scrunching together as it goes out the end of the barrel?
In my opinion, buckshot pattern performance comes first, velocity is a secondary consideration.
Last edited by RMc; 07-19-2013 at 09:04 PM.
I would opt for the larger payload myself, my main 00buck load is 12 pellets. The load I mention patterns great from my guns, but you will need to try different chokes in yours to see which is best. Same with 6 vs. 9 you will just have to experiment and see which works best for you. You are already loading your own, right?, so experiment away.
Distance you plan on shooting has a lot to do with it also, if you were to shoot at deer at <20-25yds you'd be ok either way. When you start to go beyond 25yds is when shot shell construction becomes important to the patterning of buckshot. This is also when you need those extra pellets because that 30% savings in components is what may cause a miss or even just a broken leg.
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John Haviland brings out a good point in the artical above, saying " Adding buffer to loads significantly increases pressures. Pressures rise probably not because of
the buffer’s additional weight, but because it does not allow the shot column to swage down as easily as it passes through the choke.
The Lyman Shotshell Reloading Handbook 5th Edition lists a pressure of 8,600 pounds per square inch (psi) for a load of 15⁄8 ounces of shot and 36.5 grains of BlueDot in a Remington 3-inch shell.
Pressure increased 1,500 psi by adding 24 grains of buffer to the shot, even though the Blue Dot charge was reduced one grain.
The lesson here is to use load data specifically for buffered loads."
The trend these days is lighter but faster loads, but then that's a old technique that Mr. Roy Weatherby mastered, after a thunderstorm and fast gusty winds he saw the grass leaves stuck into trees and other objects and wondered how come grass was able to penetrate, its the speed that does the magic! !
The old theory still goes.
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Ajay:
Good to see so many of your posts again!
Not sure how I missed this one with the article above but somehow I did. It was highlighted tonight so now I have it.
Thanks for posting that!
Longbow
Here are a few published 8 pellet 00B buffered loads some with velocities pushing 1600fps. Notice the choke friendly two pellet per layer stack.
http://pdf.textfiles.com/manuals/FIR..._reloading.pdf
Last edited by RMc; 12-07-2013 at 03:42 AM.
It appears from the article concerns that proper choke selection for buckshot loads should never be tighter than the circular diameter of the buckshot column plus twice the wad petal or shot wrapper thickness.
Beyond that, it seems the eternal question of pattern density vs range is never more in question than in the world of buckshot.
Any thoughts?
Last edited by RMc; 07-19-2013 at 09:03 PM.
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