I have been thinking about sending my HR target rifle in to get a 30-30 barrel fitted and then having it rechambered to 30-40 Krag.
Does anyone have any input on how the 30-30 Handi barrels shoot?
I have been thinking about sending my HR target rifle in to get a 30-30 barrel fitted and then having it rechambered to 30-40 Krag.
Does anyone have any input on how the 30-30 Handi barrels shoot?
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mine shoots pretty good. never benched it, but it'll shoot 1.5-2" over a tree limb whill standing at ~60 yards
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Mine is an older one, but it shoots anything that I put in it quite well.
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Did I ever mention that I hate to trim brass?
Never benched mine, either. However, it seems to be a good shooter. Need to get to somewhere a bench is available and try it. It, also, is an older model that I have had for years. Was simply more interested in my .45-70 than the .30-30. However, now with our coyote population ever increasing, I think it needs to be benched to make sure it is up to the task.
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Mine will group 1" to 11/4" at 100 yds from bench. Load is 32 gr H335, Win primer, Win case, 150 gr Sierra SPBT. Chronograph at 2175 fps. Still working on cast loads but they are promising.
Mine's not a Handi-Rifle but an older Topper model 158 with .30-30 and 20 gauge barrels. I bought it many years ago to use as a loaner for those people who don't deserve to get their hands on one of my good guns.
The .30-30 barrel shoots very well. I've never had anything but a 2-1/2X scope on it and with that glass it'll shoot around 2MOA with the dreaded j-words. Can you believe I've never put a real boolit through it?
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Not much to be gained in rechambering to 30-40 as most 30-30s comes with a 1-12 tsist barrel. This limits bullet length/weight to about 190 grains. The 30-30 has enough powder capacity to push bullets this weight to cast bullet limits.
The 30-40 is a great round, but the extra powder capacity doesn't help until you get to the heavier bullets above 200 grains. It takes a 1-10 twist barrel to do right by these longer bullets.
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8 in the 10 ring, then I get a PING. Love my Garand.
Oh man.
I just sent my Target frame off for a 30-30 and 45-70 fitting yesterday. Today, I get an email from a guy that has an absolutely gorgeous Ruger #1 he wants to sell me.
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8 in the 10 ring, then I get a PING. Love my Garand.
Mine is a old Topper with a chamber so large you'd think it was supposed to take 30-40 ammo !!
On the good side though , I setup a sizer die just for this rifle and have a load that does very well . I keep the cases and ammo separate from the lever rifle and so far case life and accuracy are fine . It's a neat rifle to fool with , I just wish they would have done it right the first time up .
Jack
Regarding the max. bullet weight that a 1/12" twist .30 caliber barrel will stabilize, I have had excellent results with Lyman's 311284 (220 grs. in w.w.+2% tin) in my Teddy Roosevelt Commemorative '94 all the way out to 1,000 yards.
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Salient rules: Heavier the boolit, less twist is needed; more pointed a boolit, less twist is needed; longer the boolit, more twist is needed; the windier the condition, more twist is needed; longer the range, more twist is needed; more of a boattail, more twist is needed; more hollow the point, less twist is needed. ... felix
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Felix, are you saying we need a two piece barrel with the lands only attached at the opposite ends from each other ? Need more twist turn the front of the barrel a bit, need less twist turn the barrel a bit in the other direction. The front sight problem will need to be worked out though. ...Ray
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What are those 30-30 Handi-Rifle chambers like? Are they sloppy? Do they have any throat? What's the rifling like? How deep are the grooves?
The one thing I do know about the Handi-Rifle is that NEF should stick to chambering it for rimmed cartridges. I purchased an SB2-135 (.35 Whelen) last fall, shot about 100 rounds through it and it's no longer extracting fired brass because the extractor isn't grabbing the rim. I'm sending it back to the factory with a note asking NEF to replace the barrel with one chamber for the 38-55 cartridge because I really can't imaging a poorer designed extractor for rimless cartridges.
MJ
Last edited by Marlin Junky; 03-20-2007 at 04:47 PM.
I have the Handi rifle chambered 30-06 and it shoots great,trigger is crisp and very heavy 6-8 lbs. It takes me 10 rds just to get used to the trigger. I have been thinking about sending the forarm and receiver in to get a different barrel fitted but am confused. I'm leaning toward a 30-30 so i can cast for it also so i can have open sites. I could try casting for the 06 but am stuck with the scope only, no open sites. Maybe i should save up and buy them all.
Sleeve the barrel.
randyrat:
If you have more barrels fitted, then you'll still have the same crappy trigger with all of them. They're relatively inexpensive, but you get what you pay for - there's no free lunch. I have posted before about inconsistent heat treating of their bearing surfaces, too. Sometimes it's the barrel, sometimes the receiver. When it's the barrel, you can shim it, but when it's the receiver, you're screwed. Encores and Contenders are much more expensive, but the quality is there, the triggers are far superior, and the CS from T/C when you have problems is generally fantastic. When you buy good tools, you swear by them instead of at them. That won't sit too well with those who swear by their Handy Rrifles, but I have sworn at too many of them and would never recommend another one to anyone. Many of them do have very accurate barrels, and when they shoots themselves loose, you could always thread them and screw them into decent bolt actions. The .30-30 in a decent action, with a decent barrel, is well capable of subMOA accuracy with cast or jacketed. I would expect 2MOA or worse from and ancient and shot-out levergun, but from a new one, that does not meet the minimum standard, especially when a 10" Contender can easily shoot MOA at 100yds (and I have owned three: 10", 14", and now a carbine - they'll all do it.)
Last edited by versifier; 04-06-2007 at 10:21 AM.
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I had one and made it an AI. Some will argue about the name. My reloads will drop into a AI chamber cut by pros. No problem. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it is probably a duck. I am calling it an Ackley Improved chamber regardless of anyones thoughts on it. I'm a disabled shooter. I've shot 3 rounds into a .70 inch group from a benched position. That's rare for me. An able shooter with my NEF Handi-rifle should do a lot better. I shoot the LEE c309-170f cast bullet. My weight on this bullet with gas check is about 178-179 grains. I also shoot remington 150 and 165 grain psp core lock (sp?) bullets. This little rifle grows on you. Any of my rifles will outshoot me but, I usually go to my favorite little cheap gun for everything. I'm very impressed with my .30-30 AI Handi-rifle.
All NEF .30 cal barrels are 1in 10 twist. I had a .30-30 barrel reamed to .30-40. No problems. I like the .30-30 better. Besides, I have 9 .30 caliber rifles. I'd suggest staying with the standard .30-30. I re chambered mine to AI just to have something different. It's your money. If you want it and can afford it, go for it. Give yourself a treat. ENJOY.
Last edited by tom barthel; 04-06-2007 at 10:56 AM.
Randyrat, according to the Handiholics at Greybeard's Forum, if you send your rifle in to have a new barrel fitted, you can have the factory give you a nice trigger job for little or no cost. I would go for the .357 barrel or the .45-70 or even the .500 S&W. But whatever makes your bird whistle. I have a .223 Synthetic model Handi that I would like to sell so I could buy the .500 S&W.
The minimum twist required to stabilize a bullet of a given caliber is a function of bullet length (BIG EFFECT), bullet density so lead stabilizes better than copper etc, the density of the medium the bullet is going through-air is good, water is bad, lower density air at higher elevations is better than sea level air, and muzzle velocity (SMALL EFFECT).
Wind deflection for a given mv is a function of only BC and wind velocity-keeping in mind that velocity is a vector quantity.
Now, I could very well be wrong, and would like to see any data supporting other contentions.
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