Bull Plate: Substitute again

[94Doug]

When I have heard the 2 cycle thing floated around, I thought it was probably a good guess, but as stated above, which one. When I was in the ATV/cycle/Snowmobile business, there were plenty of types/formulas, some lower ash, racing, injection vs premix, etc....

Doug

[wiljen]

I used synthetic 2 cycle oil in my last batch of speed green and honestly cant tell any difference in it and the original. Seems to work about as well for sprue plates too. I figure the quart I bought at Wally world should last me until Bullshop returns and the real thing once again flows.

[leftiye]

Any guesses on Lotak? I really want to try it, but Dan sent my money back.

[LEADHOPPER]

If I am not mistaken, Lotak is speed green with carnuba wax added to it. Dan had posted it here at one time. I want to say it was 2 oz to standard speed green. Don't know if that was for Lotak soft or Lotak hard.

Searched for it and found the post from Dan

Originally Posted by Bullshop
Add two oz pure carnauba per pound of lube. Stay away from the parafin.
Pure carnauba flake is available from member Randyrat

[357maximum]

I have been using Amsoil full synthetic 2 stroke oil and I am tickled pink with it. I can see no difference in fact.

[30yrcaster]

I have been using Amsoil full synthetic 2 stroke oil and I am tickled pink with it. I can see no difference in fact.

When you say no difference in it, do you mean the galling or hinge pivot or lead buildup on the sprueplate & top of mold?

[wiljen]

I can say that in my case, it performs almost exactly on par with bullplate, I have not measured to see if it lasts exactly the same length of time between applications, nor have I done any scientific studies to say conclusively that it is the same stuff. What I can say is that for my purposes, I see no difference in the behavior of the two substances. Bullplate was however slightly cheaper than the synthetic stuff I have.

[Red River Rick]

With Dan being an ex-logger...............I have reason to believe that his Bull Plate formula may be synthetic Bar Lube for chainsaws. ??????????????

FWIW.

RRR

[shotman]

all is synthetic and for mold use it dont matter the name . That is only oil that will stand the hot temps . Some have a smell and some dont . but all are near the same
But Kroil has a smell and it works for both lube and release

[Marlin Junky]

I have been using Amsoil full synthetic 2 stroke oil and I am tickled pink with it. I can see no difference in fact.

Hey Mike... where can I find some? There are no dealers in my area. I think there's a couple versions too.

Thank,
MJ

[wiljen]

Try Stihl ultra HP MJ. Most places have a stihl shop and that is the stuff I've been using. Works great.

[Marlin Junky]

all is synthetic and for mold use it dont matter the name . That is only oil that will stand the hot temps . Some have a smell and some dont . but all are near the same
But Kroil has a smell and it works for both lube and release

There's a SiliKroil that contains silicone and I can't find that either.

MJ

[Shooter6br]

I use 2 stroke oil. Same color and odor of oil from Milhec. use synthetic or regular

[Marlin Junky]

Try Stihl ultra HP MJ. Most places have a stihl shop and that is the stuff I've been using. Works great.

That's what I'm using and I must be pushing it's limits because it's not working as well as Bullplate. It's definitely thinner in consistency and I need to apply it more often in order to keep the base smearing under control. I'm currently casting big bore boolits over 300 grains from aluminum molds and I'm trying to keep up a quick and steady pace in order to limit weight variation. I can see where the Stihl HP would work fine for 30's from heavy ferrous molds though. I haven't tried it on my single brass mold (I need to rectify that situation with one or two of AM's products). Have you taken your melt's temp... mine usually runs 700+ while casting big boolits but I might be able to get away with a bit less heat. My alloy is pretty cheap though; i.e., only trace amounts of Sn.

MJ

[MT Gianni]

With Dan being an ex-logger...............I have reason to believe that his Bull Plate formula may be synthetic Bar Lube for chainsaws. ??????????????

FWIW.

RRR

Most chain saws are 2 cycle, it could be 2 cycle oil as well.

[Ed in North Texas]

There's a SiliKroil that contains silicone and I can't find that either.

MJ

You can buy it direct from Kano. www.kanolabs.com or 877-320-5757

Ask for the "trial offer" Silikroil 16.5 oz aerosol $17.00 post paid. Or they will sell you a "test" of 2 aerosol cans @ $17.00 plus postage.

Ed

[Ed in North Texas]

Was just reading Paul Matthews book "Cast Bullets for the Black Powder Cartridge Rifle". One of his recommendations was treating the sprue plate with Brownell's Action Magic II, a two part dry lube. While it is intended for dry lubing actions (IIRC primarily developed for semi-auto pistols), he found it worked very well for sprue plate lube.

I was advised it might be worthwhile to use snail mail to contact Dan (Bullshop). I tossed the packaging from my last order (Lotak hard) and don't have an address for him. Anyone able to supply that info?

Ed

[Iowa Fox]

I can't be possitive about this but- If you have a Caterpillar dealer in your town stop by their parts dept and look at their camshaft assemly lube. It looks identical to Bull Plate right down to the green color.

You will have better luck at the Power Systems side of the dealership rather than the bulldozer side of their business. The power systems side is totally engine related. Once you get the Bulldozer guys past a set of tracks they are usually lost.

I can get you fellas a part # if needed. I'm not saying they are the same or even close but they sure look and feel the same.

[Ed in North Texas]

One more thought. Has anyone tried Militec? It might work very well for this use.

[semtav]

try high temp oven lube or turbine oil