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Thread: Mihec 454640 Cramer -Time to get this going!

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    Thumbs up Mihec 454640 Cramer - 1 more to go! LET'S GO BROTHERS! Time to get this going!

    Okay, I know that there has been some interest in getting a 454640 mould for a while. I was going to Honcho one of these earlier this year but there was supposed to be a wedding and lots of moving and yada, yada, yada. Well, none of that happened, so, I have some disposable cash and want to get a new mould!

    This will be designed just like the 434640. RNFP solid, 2 sets of pins, large cavernous round pins and the Miha trademark "Pentapins".
    Medium pins are going to be available too. Size will be midway between the size of the 434640 and the RCBS 45-270SAA Clone. Miha will have to do the math!


    Personally, I would like to have this be a 2 cavity, brass mould but it could be a 4 cavity if that is the consensus of the Group!

    Since times are hard for most of us, the two cavity will be a bit cheaper and still give you the bullet you want.

    I have posted some results with the 434640 and to be honest, I have really impressed with it's accuracy and devastating terminal performance. Not sure what the weight will be but, for the 45 Colt, I'm thinking somewhere around the 320gr in solid form and 280gr is in round HP form.

    Come on folks, you know you want one for that carbine/pistol combination. Maybe you have a Ruger 45 Colt like I do that NEEDS a bullet like this! My Puma rifle told me yesterday just how much it would like to have one of these ran through it.

    Yeah, me and my guns talk a lot!


    WHAT SAY YOU ALL? HUNTING SEASON IS COMING UP!

    Smaller size round hollow point pins are an option; add $16 per set.

    We need 15 to move this forward:

    1&2: lead_her_fly=Skip-- 2! 4 cavity, all hollow points
    3: hicard-- 1 4 cavity, all hollow points
    4: redneckdan-- 1 4 cavity, all hollow points
    5: GLL=Jerry-- 1 4 cavity, all hollow points(smaller preferred)
    6: Jason Freeman-- 1 4 cavity, all hollow points(smaller preferred)
    7: bronte454-- 1 4 cavity, all hollow points (a bit heavier preferred)
    8: ktw-- 1 4 cavity, all hollow points
    9: Overkill-- 1 4 cavity, all hollow points
    10: werepyr-- 1 4 cavity, all hollow points
    11: gmsharps-- 1 4 cavity, all hollow points
    12: Aaron-- 1 4 cavity, all hollow points(preferably .456")
    13: denul-- 1 4 cavity, all hollow points
    14: rollmyown-- 1 4 cavity, all hollow points
    15: WARD O-- 1 4 cavity, all hollow points
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    As the designer, I would vote for the 4 cavity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 45 2.1 View Post
    As the designer, I would vote for the 4 cavity.
    Very well sir! That "640" design is tops in my book! I like the Keith's, or SWC, don't get me wrong, but for longer distance, carbine type shooting/hunting, I think the coefficient of this boolit is better!

    Hats off to you again!

    p.s. Could I impose on you to post a drawing of this boolit , kind sir?
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    I'm definitley in for the 320gr solid. Especially if it can be a gas check. 4 or 2 cavity mold is fine for me.
    Last edited by 41 mag fan; 08-28-2011 at 08:37 AM.

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    Not sure just what is available on this mould yet. It will al depend on what Miha can produce. I know he has done gas check versions before. Possibly an option!
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    Oh ya, I have to have one of these. I would prefer a PB brass cramer with both pins. hicardattheskybeamdotcom
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    Okay, I have gotten "THE WORD" from the Master Mould Maker!

    4 cav. brass HP 120$ plus 20$ shipping (plus 16$ extra pins)

    All we need is the drawing from 45 2.1 so we can know the weight, then, 15 moulds later, we will have delivery!


    LET"S GO FOLKS!

    The one for the 44Mag works like a dream! This will be no different for those 45 Colt lovers!
    Your carbine and Ruger Only type of loads will love you for it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    I would be in for a 4 cavity.
    Some where between here and there.....

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    I am pretty sure that Bruce based the BRP 454640 mold on the 45 2.1 design !

    I would like a 4-cavity GC with all of the pins for my H&R .45 Colt carbine.

    I would suggest you open the Group Buy right away ! This will fly in just a few days !

    Jerry

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    I would be in for one.
    How about an option for a smaller round pin for higher velocity and flat pins for a solid.

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    I would agree with Mr. Freeman that a smaller diameter round pin option would be VERY good idea !

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    All pins are reversible for making a flat point. The idea of this mould is to have the larger pins. They perform well in the 44Mag @ 1800fps and I would like to keep that.

    Maybe we could ask if there could be an option for a smaller pin. I'll ask!
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    this is on the omnibus poll for miha does that mean he already has the cherry cut ? If so could make things a lot easier . I would prefer a 260-270 grain H.P. but could live with a 250 . i would prefer a P.B. in either 2 or 4 cavity . I already have the Ruger only 295 H.P. just my .02 cents worth. ` http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=51880

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    No cherry cut at this point that I know of. I don't think he has done this one before so.....



    GLL & Jason Freeman: Question posed, awaiting response!
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    Smaller pin option available. Extra pins for a 4 cavity mould=$16

    Everyone good with that?

    By the way, I would like to have this be 280gr with the largest round hollow point pins inserted. FWIW
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    lead her fly:

    VERY good that the smaller pins will be an option !
    I have a single cavity BRP HP version and it is a great bullet design at is original weight!
    It may be a little lighter than some want though unless 45 2.1 modifies the original !

    Jerry
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    Jerry, call me Skip! Everyone else does! haha

    The smaller pins, ones in between the huge ones of the 434640 and the RCBS 45-270SAA Clone is where I asked Miha to figure them. Honestly, the one for the 45-270SAA are about worthless for a HP. The Penta pins are much better.

    I am learning something too, your (read my) good idea may not be shared by everyone!

    The original design is fine BUT, something around a 250gr HP would be great. I want to retain the deep grease groove and equally sized rear driving band. Maybe a bit more nose? Have to stay under the "Ruger sized" cylinder length with a loaded round.

    Let's just do an as is designed for now, see how many folks get on board and then see if there needs to be some modifications. What do you say?
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    Skip:

    I personally like 45 2.1s original design and weight but will wait and see what he suggests and draws up for you !

    Jerry
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    Quote Originally Posted by GLL View Post
    Skip:

    I personally like 45 2.1s original design and weight but will wait and see what he suggests and draws up for you !

    Jerry
    Jerry,
    If I can get the original design, no problem! Get the thing on the mill and get it in our hands; that's the goal!

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    Same design as shown in post #9 as produced by BRP. Its a good shooter.... the bigger the HP, the better in this caliber as there are quite a few old wheel guns in this caliber.

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BR Bench Rest M Magnum RN Round Nose
BT Boat Tail PL Power-Lokt SP Soft Point
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