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[jmorris]

Requirements for storage in a residential setting are different than those for commercial storage.

And if they exist where you are will most likely not be the same as other places in your City, County, State or Country. Even if it's Ok in all of them if you rent or lease there my still be restrictions. In some places it's not OK to have a dog In your residence...

The ATF has requirements for explosives but smokeless gun powder is exempt.

Is smokeless powder designed for use in small arms ammunition subject to the explosives storage requirements?

Smokeless powders designed for use in small arms ammunition are exempt from regulation under 18 U.S.C. Chapter 40 and the regulations in 27 CFR Part 555. Packaging that readily identifies the smokeless powder as being designed for use in small arms ammunition may help in determining whether it is entitled to the exemption.

https://www.atf.gov/explosives/qa/sm...osives-storage

[jmorris]

At any rate, I figure the ammo stored in ammo cans to be a bigger risk.

I feel the high pressure oxygen and acetylene bottles and the 500 gallon propane tank are a bigger risk and yeah loaded ammo would be before smokeless powder by itself.

[kmw1954]

This was just sent to me by a fellow hand loader.

11-5.4 No more than 10,000 small arms primers may be stored in residences - http://www.saami.org/specifications_...01-Primers.pdf

Powder over 25 pounds must be in wooden box and no more then 50 pounds in a residence.

11-3.7 Smokeless propellants intended for personal use in quantities not exceeding 20 lb. (9.1 kg) shall be permitted to be stored in original containers in residences. Quantities exceeding 20 lb. (9.1 kg), but not exceeding 50 lb. (22.7 kg), shall be permitted to be stored in residences where kept in a wooden box or cabinet having walls of at least 1 in. (25.4 mm) nominal thickness. - http://www.saami.org/specifications_...ess_Powder.pdf

[kmrra]

It said no more that 25k of small arms primers , so that means you can have 25 k small rifle and 25 k large rifle primers for a total of 50 K LOL

[kmrra]

that must be an old picture , cause primers here are 40bux not 32.99 a 1000

[alamogunr]

This was just sent to me by a fellow hand loader.

11-5.4 No more than 10,000 small arms primers may be stored in residences - http://www.saami.org/specifications_...01-Primers.pdf

Powder over 25 pounds must be in wooden box and no more then 50 pounds in a residence.

11-3.7 Smokeless propellants intended for personal use in quantities not exceeding 20 lb. (9.1 kg) shall be permitted to be stored in original containers in residences. Quantities exceeding 20 lb. (9.1 kg), but not exceeding 50 lb. (22.7 kg), shall be permitted to be stored in residences where kept in a wooden box or cabinet having walls of at least 1 in. (25.4 mm) nominal thickness. - http://www.saami.org/specifications_...ess_Powder.pdf

I suspect that many here exceed these quantities. Not speaking about myself, naturally.

[NavyVet1959]

This was just sent to me by a fellow hand loader.

11-5.4 No more than 10,000 small arms primers may be stored in residences - http://www.saami.org/specifications_...01-Primers.pdf

Powder over 25 pounds must be in wooden box and no more then 50 pounds in a residence.

11-3.7 Smokeless propellants intended for personal use in quantities not exceeding 20 lb. (9.1 kg) shall be permitted to be stored in original containers in residences. Quantities exceeding 20 lb. (9.1 kg), but not exceeding 50 lb. (22.7 kg), shall be permitted to be stored in residences where kept in a wooden box or cabinet having walls of at least 1 in. (25.4 mm) nominal thickness. - http://www.saami.org/specifications_...ess_Powder.pdf

Note, that is a RECOMMENDATION, not a legal requirement.

RECOMMENDATIONS ON STORAGE AND HANDLING
Issued by the National Fire Protection Association
Battery March Park, Quincy, MA 02269 and reprinted with their permission:

[dragon813gt]

NFPA guidelines are usually tied into building and fire code. For example Universal Building Code references NFPA guidelines. This makes them law if your municipality has adopted UBC. You need to know your local laws. Some are more restrictive than NFPA. You can't have a single 8# of powder in your residence in MD as it's above the allowed quantity.

This conversation always turns to people saying screw the government and they will do what they please. I don't know of an insurance claim being denied because someone had quantities greater than what the law allows. But I'm personally not willing to risk it.

[kmw1954]

. I don't know of an insurance claim being denied because someone had quantities greater than what the law allows. But I'm personally not willing to risk it.

Seems there is no definitive Rule, law or agency that has control over this issue from what I've been seeing. I have gleaned much information and recommendations from this and at this point my greatest concern is for my own safety and well being. Along with the safety of my home.

In no way am I trying to imply that what we are doing is unsafe or that I believe these are going to cause a fire or hazard on their own. Question for me is how to minimize damage if a fire starts somewhere else in the house, spreads and reaches my reloading area.

Thanks for the discussion and enlightenment!

[SteveS]

Here's my bench. It's in my living room by the way.

[jmorris]

This makes them law if...

Yep, as I said in #2182 "if they exist", depends on where you live. It's not me saying screw the government at all. A lot of my toys could be taken from me if I didn't follow the law. That said I don't follow laws that effect other people and not me, that would be silly.

I might as well get rid of most of my toys and move to CA if I wanted to live under restrictions that are realities for others.

[kmw1954]

Here's my bench. It's in my living room by the way.

Simple yet functional. I repurposed an old desk also.

[LUBEDUDE]

Before I saw the price tags I thought Morris was just showing off his personal inventory!

[fivegunner]

Please forgive the mess. Now that I am retired I can cast , load, and shoot more.

[LAH]

What mess. I don't see a mess.

[StratsMan]

I don't see a mess either... I see 5 Dillons but only one single stage... Need more single stage presses....

[dverna]

NFPA guidelines are usually tied into building and fire code. For example Universal Building Code references NFPA guidelines. This makes them law if your municipality has adopted UBC. You need to know your local laws. Some are more restrictive than NFPA. You can't have a single 8# of powder in your residence in MD as it's above the allowed quantity.

This conversation always turns to people saying screw the government and they will do what they please. I don't know of an insurance claim being denied because someone had quantities greater than what the law allows. But I'm personally not willing to risk it.

I am with Dragon on this. Too much to risk if there is a fire. I have over 150k primers and over 150 lbs of powder. I would not want that in the house even if it was permitted. I use a detached building for storage. Not difficult to build or one can buy a garden shed. Add insulation and a small heater to keep condensation down in the winter. Place it under a shade tree to reduce heat in the summer. The shed can serve as loading room as well if built large enough.

Don Verna

[fivegunner]

here's 3 of the 4 RCBS JR`s , I also have 1 RCBS Rock chucker, a RCBS A2, and a C&H press . And one of those little LEE single press.

[OS OK]

here's 3 of the 4 RCBS JR`s , I also have 1 RCBS Rock chucker, a RCBS A2, and a C&H press . And one of those little LEE single press.

Mount those on a lazy susan and you'd have a poor mans version of a turret! ...

[Three44s]

Seriously, I have thought of building a lazy susan that resides over my load work space. It would be there to hold all the little lose hand tools that come into play over the course of working up a batch.

My space is an island in my load room and I have and can mount presses anywhere around it (360 degrees).

In the meantime I built a raised mini table that I place my mechanical scales on.

I even use an RCBS 304 on that elevated plane.

Three 44s