going to start making 224 swaging dies

[RumDrunk]

Add me to the list for a full set.

What's the estimated wait time these days...six weeks?

[danr]

how long you think the what will be on the dies just aksing im going to start picking up brass and led this week and buy primers and powder im hopeing i will have a good stock by the time i get them o and what do you prefer for pay mint paypall or mony order or a presonl check or placit debit

i'll be accepting paypal, or usbank deposit for payment once they are done.

should be 2 - 3 weeks, is what i'm aiming for in production.


dan

[danr]

things are comming along pretty well with the tooling. considering all of the varabled involved..

the most difficult part is reproducing each part of my dies with perfection. working out a lathe build plan for each is the longest part of the tooling.

so far i have build plans for all of the punches, and all of the die bodies. currently working out the build pans for the cavities for derimming, swage and core seat.

so, i'm almost done with the build plans.. once i'm finished with the build plans, i can start making them. should be monday - tuesday at the latest.

i'm planning on making them by lots of 10. the longest part is waiting for the lee sizing die for final sizing. i was quoted by lee 6 - 10 weeks before delivery for them.

but, i think i may have found a way to skip the final sizing die, by making a sizing die using a pressed in core ring that is made of tool steel. ultra hard stuff.. but too soon to tell for that one if it will work out.. hard part with that is one is cutting the tool steel to correct size.
my aim for the final sizing die is that it should be the last to fail or wear, so that it can correct failures or wear from the swage die. when it comes to projectiles, size is everything.

i should have some pics of the dies and punches early next week for everyone to see.

thanks,
dan

i should have pics of the dies some time early next week..

thanks,
dan

[danr]

Add me to the list for a full set.

What's the estimated wait time these days...six weeks?

sorry rumdrunk.. i've stopped adding people to the list.. once i've cought up with those on the list, i'll be taking more orders. dont worry, i'll get to yea sooner or later.

i just dont want to become like corbin.. where your put on a list, and 6 months later, you may get something... lol..

thanks for the interest.


dan

[danr]

Danr,
Would you please post pictures of the parts and tell us the function and how you use them? How many steps? Can stick on WW be used for core material? How fast can finished bullets be made?
Thank you for the extra info!
CATS

hello cats.. when it comes to swaging, the softer the lead the better.. stick on WW's maybe a little hard compared to soft lead.

the harder the lead is, the more wear your going to do to the dies, and the more wear your goning to cause on your press.. some of the smaller lee's and smaller RCBS's may not like WW's.. the cam on the ram's of those press's cant produce much force.. but it maybe possible to make them out of WW's.. i mean, i've abused my concept dies, thats for sure..

the worse possible things that could happen when using hard lead are : you bend a bottom punch and or warp the swage die in the process.. or you could end up with a stuck bullet, where the top punch punches through the bullet lodged inside the swage die. punches are easy to replace.. warping of the swage die isant so easy to deal with, but even warped dies can sometimes be usable. stuck bullets inside of the swage die is easy to deal with as well, use a long sheet rock screw, screw it in the hole and use a hammer to pull it out.. this has saved my concept dies several times.

as soon as i have pics of the final production dies, i'll post them along with the details of what each is and how its used.

producing bullets with them, is much like reloading cases.. work in lots of 50 - 100, and take it 1 step at a time.. it doesn't take long, and its only 4 steps.

1. press rimfire cases info cups.
2. fill with lead
3. swage into shape
4. size the final bullets.

done. after that, you should weigh each bullet made for weight varances, and its a good habbit to mic the size to make sure things didn't go wacky for a fiew of them.
basically, making sure they are .224.. and not oversized.. this is because a .224 medium load, may be over loaded with a bullet that is .230, or a bullet that is 10 grains heaver than expected.


dan

[gvanzeggelaar]

Count me in. If you won't ship them to Ontario I will get someone else to buy them and ship them to me

[danr]

Count me in. If you won't ship them to Ontario I will get someone else to buy them and ship them to me

i'll ship them whereever ups goes. but you'll have to wait until the next round.. my work order is full for the memont.


dan

[blaser.306]

Usps would be better ! UpS charges are outrageous coming accross the border ! Anything that they carry gets hit with a $25.00 "brokerage " fee . That is on top of the Horendous charge for sending the parcel to begin with . Free trade ? I think not !!!

[danr]

Usps would be better ! UpS charges are outrageous coming accross the border ! Anything that they carry gets hit with a $25.00 "brokerage " fee . That is on top of the Horendous charge for sending the parcel to begin with . Free trade ? I think not !!!

lol.. ok.. i never really like ups anyways.. and i even worked for them for a time.. lol..


dan

[danr]

build process done for the swage die and de-rimming die..

whoo hoo.. almost done.. just a couple of more things to finish build plans for, and i'll start production. still have the core seating die and sizing die build plans, but those are easy.. well. .the sizing die insert, i'm still trying to find a suitable core source.. but should be able to find something by the end of the week. other wise, the build plan for the sizing dies are easy..

thanks,
dan

[Utah Shooter]

How hard would it be to seperate the combo die into a swage and a seating die (2 dies)?

[danr]

How hard would it be to seperate the combo die into a swage and a seating die (2 dies)?

really, it wouldn't be difficult at all. $20 for the die body, and another $4 for the punch's. it'll have to be a tight fit to prevent lead from swaging past the punches.. but that shouldnt be hard.. everything is easy once you have a lathe at your disposal..

would you like me to do that for your order?

[kend]

I'd like a full set please.

Thanks,
Kenny

[danr]

geez.. i keep getting posts for people who want dies.. so many i might as well start a 2nd list.. lol..

[gvanzeggelaar]

yeah I second the usps shipping. UPS are ****s when it comes to shipping across borders.

[DrNick]

yeah I second the usps shipping. UPS are ****s when it comes to shipping across borders.

Tee hee I use UPS against themselves. I usualy have items shipped to the UPS store in Ogdensburg, NY and run down and pick it up. I only live 35 minutes away and the UPS store charges something like $5.00 to hold your package for a week.....

[ExcIsAc]

How hard would it be to seperate the combo die into a swage and a seating die (2 dies)?

really, it wouldn't be difficult at all. $20 for the die body, and another $4 for the punch's. it'll have to be a tight fit to prevent lead from swaging past the punches.. but that shouldnt be hard.. everything is easy once you have a lathe at your disposal.

If the core itself is swaged in the same die used to seat the core into the jacket would not the core be too big to fit into the jacket if they are done in separate steps? I would think the core swage die needs to be a bit smaller in diameter so that the sized core will fit into the jacket before seating and point forming. Maybe somebody with a Corbin or Blackmon swage/squirt die could measure a swaged core for us.

I would be interested in a separate core swage die to ensure uniformity in core sizes.

[BwBrown]

"really, it wouldn't be difficult at all. $20 for the die body, and another $4 for the punch's. it'll have to be a tight fit to prevent lead from swaging past the punches.. but that shouldnt be hard.. everything is easy once you have a lathe at your disposal..

would you like me to do that for your order? "


Dan,
I'm on your list for a set... and I too would like separate dies for core swage and seating.
Thanks,
Bob

[Doby45]

really, it wouldn't be difficult at all. $20 for the die body, and another $4 for the punch's. it'll have to be a tight fit to prevent lead from swaging past the punches.. but that shouldnt be hard.. everything is easy once you have a lathe at your disposal..

would you like me to do that for your order?

I would like the separate dies also..

[plus1hdcp]

Sounds good to me too!