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    Best 308/30-06 mold

    I want to get a 30cal mold to use in a 308win rem 700police(26in heavy contour 1:12 twist) and also in a M1 Garand(no clue on the specs) that I plan to get tis summer. To start off I want to get ONE mold to work in both and go from there. Im thinking something in the 150-165grn rage because M2 ball had 150grn bullet but then again as I understand it the 1:12 twist of the 700 perfers a heavier bullet. Also would it be better for the Garand to have a pointed bullet? This would be used for targets, maybe a match or two, and who knows I might take it hunting but probably not. Please let me know what you think.
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    I use the Ranch Dog 165 in my bolt guns.
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    Is there something wong with using lead in a Garand?
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    NOE 311284.

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    You may never find one boolit that shoots great in both. Depends of what size your barrels/throats are. Standard designs like the Lyman 311284 or RCBS 30-180 often give good results.

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    Starting from scratch I would choose the Lyman 311672, or RCBS 165 grain mold. They have a short body section that works well in the 308, and a tapered section ahead of the body to fit the throats well. Reported accuracy with both molds has been very good in both calibers. If you decide to go with a heavier boolit, I would look hard at the 311299 instead of the 311284 though the latter is more popular in bolt guns. It too has a shorter body section to better fit in the shorter .308 Winchester neck, and a somethat more pointed profile to perhaps feed better in your Garand. I believe that RCBS also makes a 180 grain mold with a profile similar to their 165 for an in between weight. Good luck with your choice, and good shooting. Keep us posted on how you make out! I've just started using the Lyman 311672 in my .308 bolt guns with a 1-10" twist, and have only tried one load so far, but it looks pretty promising. I'm also trying it in my old 30--30 for the 1-12" twist loaded single shot since it's pretty pointed. First 5 shot group with the old gun was just over an inch at 50 yards with the iron sights so that shows promise too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by b money View Post
    Is there something wong with using lead in a Garand?
    Some will tell you that you'll foul the gas system beyond hope when shooting cast bullets in the Garand. All I'll say is that is not my experience with them, and refer them to this thread: M1 Garand Loads??. I'd also suggest doing a search for 'M1 Garand + cast' here on this board. A lot of folks are shooting cast bullets through their Garands, M1As, SKSs, etc. with success.

    That's not to say that developing a successful cast bullet load for your Garand will necessarily be easy; just that many have succeeded. You'll need the proper hardness of bullet alloy, gas checks, and the right powder(s). There's a lot of information available here on the subject, though.
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    311284 or 311299 depending on the throat. I've seen short throated 308s that dont like the 299.
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    Quote Originally Posted by b money View Post
    Is there something wong with using lead in a Garand?
    Not that I know of. I have probably close to 1000 rounds through my two Garands. I get accuracy similar to or better than Greek surplus ammo.

    I am cheap when it comes to molds.

    Lee 309-200 runs great in my Garands and in my Remington 700 300 Win Mag.

    I recently added a Lee 309-160 but have not been to the range yet to put it on paper. I am paper patching these rounds and loading them up pretty stout.

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    Ginger or Maryann? Laverne or Shirley?

    That posed, I'll offer this. I have a 12 twist heavy barrel 700 in .308. It's a good shooter. It was a good shooter right from the box. It likes Nosler 125 gr Ballistic Tips real well - problem with that is they are pricey. To date, the best cast boolit load is RCBS 30-180-SP and 5744. I've tried probably a dozen or more different boolits and as many powders. I didn't pick this load, the gun did. The gun also picked the best velocity.
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    I use the Lee C309-160-1R. Very close to the Lyman 311672 and you can buy 3 for the same price as 1 Lyman. If your gonna want to cast alot of them you can run 3 molds at the same time without a problem.
    They are short enough to miss the rifling on all my 30cals.

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    Has anyone here tried the Lyman 311644? I've experimented a bit with it in the .30-06 but didn't get good results

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    Yes, I have. That boolit is very gun/load dependent. The design is correct enough but needs a longer bearing (shorter nose in effect) to be more general purpose in accuracy. But then, it would not fit the shorter throats. ... felix
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    Quote Originally Posted by b money View Post
    Is there something wong with using lead in a Garand?
    Nope, I have way to much invested in my M1, Its personal preference.

    I have 1000s of mil surp bullets for use in the M1, no need to use cast
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    Concur with 311299. This heavier bullet will give the best accuracy in both twists with medium and slower burning powders. You should get excellent accuracy upwards of 2100 - 2200 fps with the .308W and upwards of 1950 fps with the '06 M1. 311299 will also provide reliable functioning with in an accuracy range with the M1. Suggest you initially start at 28 gr of 4895 in both with a 3/4 gr dacron filler and work up in 1/2 gr increments until accuracy goes south. That will give you a base line for accuracy that you can then tweak using slower burning powders for perhaps a little higher velocity if wanted.

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    311284 for a heavy bullet, 311414 for a light one.
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    311291 @ 173gr should work fine for what you want. NOE had a GB on them, maybe you can find one. The 311041 (don't know about feeding in the garand though). BRP makes good moulds. His 311-180 sil might be the ticket. A group buy is going on now for the 311299

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    Quote Originally Posted by peerlesscowboy View Post
    Has anyone here tried the Lyman 311644? I've experimented a bit with it in the .30-06 but didn't get good results
    I shoot the 311644 in my 7.5x55 K31. It has a nose diameter that might be a bit small for lots of 30cal rifles.

    My Rem 700 30-06 really likes the Saeco #301 200gr. The Saeco #311 170gr is a tapered "silhouette" design that should be good in both the 308 and Garand. The Saeco #315 175gr is a multi-groove, tapered design better suited to manually operated arms, but is very accurate in my 30-30, 7.5x55, and 30-06.

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    I've found either the Lyman 311332, (180gr. spitzer) and the Lyman 311299, (200gr. rn) to give good and easy to obtain accuracy in my .30-06's-.308's-.30-40 Krags. They're not the only .30 molds I use, but I can always count on them.
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    I have been shooting my M-1 for about two years and have pretty much used only cast boolits in it. It likes the 311284 lubed with carnuba red from white labe and over 29-33 gr of 4895 and a tuft of dacron or 14 gr of Unique w/o dacron or even 13.5 gr of Red Dot. They all work well. Low recoil and fully functional. With the 4895 I am running about 1800 fps and I know I can bump the powder charge up from 29 grains but I have not bothered yet.

    The gas pistonl does not clog up and the Garand seems to like this boolit and powder. The warning about slow powders in the M-1 bending the Op rod applies only to J word bullets. With cast you are in a different ball park.
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