Emmert's Lube with smokeless?

[Kraschenbirn]

Anyone tried this? I'd like to give the Lyman 457124 (400gr RN) a try in my Pedersoli RB over a "Trapdoor" load of IMR4198 but haven't got any "naked" boolits on hand. What I do have is a tray of "as cast" that have been pan-lubed with Emmert's and, rather than melt the lube off and run some thru my Lyman 450, I'm wondering if there's a reason I can't just go with what I've got.

Bill

C.O.B. #14

[oksmle]

Bill .... Some time back I asked the Forum the same question. Several folks came back with a positive answer. Since then I have almost eliminated my regular lube & have gone with Emmert's in .44-40, 45 ACP, 45 Colt, .38 Spec., .357 Mag., .38-55, 45-70, .30-30 Win., 35 Rem. .303, .30-06 & 7.62 Russ. The rifle calibers are only being moved about 1800 fps. All of the pistol calibers are also mated up with a lever action rifle with a barrel of at least 24" long. And all have been fire-lapped. This might make a difference.

[fryboy]

most black powder lubes indeed work well at least to about mid-range velocities ( ie; it doesnt stop becoming a lube just because you changed powder ) i would be more concerned with size as opposed to lube , trapdoor loads can still be considered black powder equivalent load , i like emmert's ,it's decent and easy to do and it works ( tho i have to admit that i'm currently running pearl lube plus - the debate is what will i use when i finally use it all up :P both work well for BP and up to mid-range)

[Green Frog]

IIRC Buck Emmert was a practitioner of the fine old art of Schuetzen, ie rifle shooting with single shot rifles and plain based lead bullets. , It was for this purpose (using smokeless loads) that his lube was developed. Later, folks tried it in their BP cartridge rifles, etc, and folks found out it worked really well there too. When I am not using one of the immortal Charlie Dell's lubes or my own proprietary Frog Guano lube, and especially if I am pan lubing a limited number of bullets (say, 150 or so) Emmert's is my "go to" lube for about any powder. YMMV, but "works for me!"

Froggie

PS A shout out and word of thanks go to Dale53 for hooking me up with the original (and his modified) version of Emmert's and patiently teaching me how to pan lube.

[nanuk]

what is Dale53's "Modified" Emmerts?

[Doby45]

Search is your friend..

http://www.castboolits.gunloads.com/...10&postcount=4

[geargnasher]

+1 on Emmert's working for mild to medium smokeless loads. Works really well with large-groove boolits, and accuracy from mid-range velocity rifle stuff can be outstanding because the lube is so soft it blows right off the boolit on muzzle exit in a fine mist, not leaving any chunks stuck on to cause unbalanced boolits downrange. It's easy to make, smells good, and works even better as long as it's fresh. I wouldn't use it for hot weather lube or "stockpile" loadings that wouldn't get shot for months or years, but if you shoot it within a month or so and keep the ammo cool (NOT on the seat of your pickup in the summer sun), it works just fine.

Gear

[Shooter6br]

Works for all my needs under 1500fps. Use for 32 Mag 41mag, 45 ACP and 45-70 with velocity between 800 to 1450 FPS. i add lanolin to help "stick" to the bullets better.For 7.62x39mm with Lee 160 g i use LLA and gas check 1800fps

[Green Frog]

what is Dale53's "Modified" Emmerts?

What Doby45 said. I modified it slightly again by adding just a touch of carnauba wax (maybe 2-3 ounces to a pound of mix) when I made my last batch.

I haven't had the storage/deterioration problems geargnasher mentions, but maybe I've just been lucky!

Froggie

[Dale53]

Froggie;
Thanks for the kind words.

I have used Emmert's lube in Black Powder Cartridge Rifle and Black Powder Cartridge Pistol for many, many years.

Modifying the lube by replacing the Canola oil with Anhydrous Lanolin does wonders for shelf life.

It also works extremely well for schuetzen (using smokeless powder) as Froggie mentions.

The only downside is the lube is soft and has a rather low melting point. That can be a problem on those hot summer days and when temps inside a vehicle get really hot. I handled that by storing my lubed bullets or loaded rounds inside a cooler in my car.

One of the reasons I like Carnauba Red so well with general smokeless use, is that it has a rather high melting point (about 165 degrees, as I remember) and gives NO problems in the hot summer or keeping loaded ammo in the back of my van.

Dale53