ADvertise hereStainLess Steel MediaTitan ReloadingGraf & Sons
RotoMetals2Lee PrecisionMidSouth Shooters SupplyInline Fabrication

Page 2 of 2 FirstFirst 12
Results 21 to 33 of 33

Thread: Not paying $30 for a Lee crimp die

  1. #21
    Boolit Master
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Posts
    3,160
    Quote Originally Posted by rtracy2001 View Post
    I have had good results with the lee rifle crimp dies. So much so that I want to try one on my 8mm-06. Popular wildcat though the 8mm-06 is, it is still a wildcat and as such requires a custom built crimp die. Lee offers this service for $25 +$5 shipping, and I have to send them a dummy round first. I get the die set when they feel like making it.

    I'm cheap and $30 for a $15 die just doesn't sit well with me.

    I got to thinking the other day, (first problem) and figure I should be able to modify a 30-06 crimp die to work for the 8mm-06. All that is really required is to drill/ream out the collet a little bit to accept the 8mm boolit.

    Am I dreaming, or is it that simple?

    how hard is it to drill out one of those collets? anyone ever done it?
    You are totally unrealistic. Apparently you know nothing of the design of the crimping collet.
    EDG

  2. #22
    Boolit Master
    Join Date
    Nov 2017
    Location
    brisbane ,qld,australia
    Posts
    177
    I also would like to know if/how the insert comes out.From Lees drawing in the Cat,it appears that the collet fingers have to be compressed to pass over the ridge in the housing.But its also possible that the collet is captive by a swaged lip,which would have to be cut off.Anyhoo,ive got no use for the crimping,but lee collets are verrry soft,(compared to similar collets),and reworking them can be done with a file,if nothing better is available.

  3. #23
    Boolit Master
    jimkim's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    Dodge Co. GA. Between the Ocmulgee and Little Ocmulgee rivers.
    Posts
    1,022
    Quote Originally Posted by john.k View Post
    I also would like to know if/how the insert comes out.From Lees drawing in the Cat,it appears that the collet fingers have to be compressed to pass over the ridge in the housing.But its also possible that the collet is captive by a swaged lip,which would have to be cut off.Anyhoo,ive got no use for the crimping,but lee collets are verrry soft,(compared to similar collets),and reworking them can be done with a file,if nothing better is available.
    Just pull it out. It's held in by friction from a spring steel ring.

    Sent from my VS880 using Tapatalk

    US Govt mantra. if it's moving tax it, if it's still moving regulate it, if it stops moving subsidize it

  4. #24
    Boolit Master
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Posts
    3,160
    The collet is just held in place by friction from a cheap wire ring.
    Just pull it out.
    You cannot rework the fingers with a file. There is a small lip that can only be machined before the collet is split.
    EDG

  5. #25
    Banned - Charles1990/Eldon/Happy Warrior/Red Jackson/Henry VIII/Mr Humble
    Join Date
    Nov 2017
    Location
    FL
    Posts
    152
    30 bucks ? pages and pages over 30 bucks ? I drink more wine in a week than that and all I have to show for it are 2 empty bottles !

    We got along for most of the 20th century w/o Lee crimp dies, I'm sure we can in the 21st. (Although I have a bunch and like them)

    Just a thought, but an 8mm06 reamer costs a lot more than 30 bucks --- maybe shuda left it an 8x57 ???

  6. #26
    Boolit Master Mytmousemalibu's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2015
    Location
    Wichita, KS
    Posts
    910
    I pieced together a collet neck sizing die for 7.62x54R from Lee parts since there is no such thing off the shelf. I used a combination of .303 British and 7.5x55 Swiss if memory serves me right. There was some very minor machining involved too.
    ~ Chris


    Casting, reloading, shooting, collecting, restoring, smithing, etc, I love it all!
    Quote Originally Posted by GRUMPA View Post
    This innocent till proven guilty is more like a fantasy as time goes on. I don't know about you folks, but I for 1 am getting mighty tired of having to prove I'm innocent just because of what someone else thinks....

  7. #27
    Boolit Master
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Posts
    3,160
    Quote Originally Posted by lucifers View Post
    30 bucks ? pages and pages over 30 bucks ? I drink more wine in a week than that and all I have to show for it are 2 empty bottles !

    We got along for most of the 20th century w/o Lee crimp dies, I'm sure we can in the 21st. (Although I have a bunch and like them)

    Just a thought, but an 8mm06 reamer costs a lot more than 30 bucks --- maybe shuda left it an 8x57 ???
    No the cost delta is only $15. There is no proof it is even necessary.
    I like the Lee factory crimp dies for rifle ammo but I only use them for autoloaders.
    EDG

  8. #28
    Boolit Master

    texassako's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Location
    North Texas
    Posts
    2,018
    All of Lee's dies that are collet types are easy to mod. You just have to make the collet close at the right spot and the right amount. Trim a bit or add a bit, pick the same length cartridge, open it up a little, use a bigger cartridges fcd and put it on a spacer, etc. I need to load some 7.5x54 French now, and wouldn't you know there is a standard 7.62x54 FCD. 54mm = 54mm
    Back in the land of boolits.

  9. #29
    Boolit Master
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Posts
    3,160
    Quote Originally Posted by texassako View Post
    All of Lee's dies that are collet types are easy to mod. You just have to make the collet close at the right spot and the right amount. Trim a bit or add a bit, pick the same length cartridge, open it up a little, use a bigger cartridges fcd and put it on a spacer, etc. I need to load some 7.5x54 French now, and wouldn't you know there is a standard 7.62x54 FCD. 54mm = 54mm
    Your claim is not accurate. You may modify one of the dies by some crude method but it is not likely to work.
    That is based on 10000 hours of running an engine lathe followed by an engineering degree and 40 years of manufacturing engineering in precision machined parts design and production.
    EDG

  10. #30
    Moderator



    JonB_in_Glencoe's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    Land of 10,000 Lakes
    Posts
    9,367
    I love it, when an old thread is revived

    I placed one order for two custom dies from Lee back in 2013 for my 257Rx6.5 (it's kind of a wildcat?), a Lee collet Neck sizer die and the Lee Collet FCD. It did take quite a while to get them, mostly due to the frantic buying after the sandy hook shooting, which lasted almost the whole year of 2013. BUT, what I noticed (and the reason I'm commenting), is the quality of workmanship I got was much better than the usual standard/stock Lee dies I have bought. Making the higher price worth it, IMHO.

  11. #31
    Boolit Master
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Location
    barry s wales uk
    Posts
    1,116
    How much would it cost to make a one off? $30 seems like a bargain to me.

  12. #32
    Boolit Bub
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    28
    The real cheapskates among us just hold the cartridge upside down in the die so the crimp fingers push the case mouth into the crimp cannulure.

  13. #33
    Boolit Master

    texassako's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Location
    North Texas
    Posts
    2,018
    Quote Originally Posted by EDG View Post
    Your claim is not accurate. You may modify one of the dies by some crude method but it is not likely to work.
    That is based on 10000 hours of running an engine lathe followed by an engineering degree and 40 years of manufacturing engineering in precision machined parts design and production.
    Please explain, I would love to know why my modified dies do not work. The OP could easily stack a 6mm (.2362") spacer on the shell holder to use an 8x57mm FCD ($15 on Ebay) with the 8mm-06 if he wanted, and amazingly two 1/2" washers out of my parts drawer equal .235". Ugly=maybe, works=yes. All he would be doing is changing the length of the collet from the 8x57's 57mm to 8mm-06's 63mm to have the collet close on the case mouth. The FCD leaves a funny looking crimp if you go from the top though, reverse taper sorta.
    Back in the land of boolits.

Page 2 of 2 FirstFirst 12

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Abbreviations used in Reloading

BP Bronze Point IMR Improved Military Rifle PTD Pointed
BR Bench Rest M Magnum RN Round Nose
BT Boat Tail PL Power-Lokt SP Soft Point
C Compressed Charge PR Primer SPCL Soft Point "Core-Lokt"
HP Hollow Point PSPCL Pointed Soft Point "Core Lokt" C.O.L. Cartridge Overall Length
PSP Pointed Soft Point Spz Spitzer Point SBT Spitzer Boat Tail
LRN Lead Round Nose LWC Lead Wad Cutter LSWC Lead Semi Wad Cutter
GC Gas Check