Which wads for buckshot

[500cadillac]

I want to load 16 #1 buckshot in a 2 3/4 hull using 1 1/2 ounce load data from Hodgdon.

Rem. RP12 and WAA12R are the wads listed. Will they leave enough room with a 1/8 card under the shot?

Thanks

[camerl2009]

use buckshot data and follow it do not sub anything even primers

[500cadillac]

If there was buckshot data I would follow it. Can you find #1 buckshot data?

[camerl2009]

If there was buckshot data I would follow it. Can you find #1 buckshot data?

wwhy #1 just load 00

let me see what i have

but you will have to follow that means use the shell,powder,wads,primer,
(brass plated steel head with a fiber or paper base wad

ok so here we go

12ga 2 3/4" hi power,steel,or most federal shells with a fiber or paper base wad and brass plated steel head

powder:HI-skor 800X 28 gr
primer: win .209
wad: WAA12R winchester red wad or replace meant wad for the WAA12R
16 pellets of #1 buck

[Lloyd Smale]

why would a load that works on the same weight of fine shot not work on buck as long as the wad was the right height for crimping?

[camerl2009]

why would a load that works on the same weight of fine shot not work on buck as long as the wad was the right height for crimping?

well its better to load buck with a buck load

only thing like this ive done is for 9 pellet 00 buck with a 1 1/8oz shot load
only reason i did it is i have shells that are not made any more and i only have shot loads for them

its not for the beginner you need to know what your doing

[500cadillac]

camerl2009, most people besides you think it is ok to use lead shot data for buckshot. And you just admitted that you have done it yourself. Like the loads you made, the buckshot in my loads will weigh less than the shot.

All I want to know is if the wad (with petals cut off) is short enough to leave room for the crimp.

[camerl2009]

camerl2009, most people besides you think it is ok to use lead shot data for buckshot. And you just admitted that you have done it yourself. Like the loads you made, the buckshot in my loads will weigh less than the shot.

All I want to know is if the wad (with petals cut off) is short enough to leave room for the crimp.

i dont know if it will you did not tell me what shells you have what data your using

i gave you a safe load with tested data from lyman #3 shotshell

[camerl2009]

camerl2009, most people besides you think it is ok to use lead shot data for buckshot. And you just admitted that you have done it yourself. Like the loads you made, the buckshot in my loads will weigh less than the shot.

All I want to know is if the wad (with petals cut off) is short enough to leave room for the crimp.

and like i said i only did it becuse i have well over 1000 IVI hulls
and only shot data


i know what im doing ive loaded shotshel for 2 years now ive played with enough
loads to know what it safe and what is not

[500cadillac]

AA hulls
Load Type Gauge Shot Wt. Powder Primer Wad Powder Wt. (Gr.) Pressure Vel. (ft/s)
Lead Shot 12 1 1/2 oz. Longshot Win. 209 Rem. RP12 27 9,900 PSI 1205
Lead Shot 12 1 1/2 oz. Longshot Win. 209 Rem. RP12 28 11,400 PSI 1260
Lead Shot 12 1 1/2 oz. Longshot Win. 209 WAA12R 26.4 10,100 PSI 1205
Lead Shot 12 1 1/2 oz. Longshot Win. 209 WAA12R 28 11,500 PSI 1260

[camerl2009]

aa hulls, w209, longshot

what aa do you have i only have data for the old aa not the aa hs
thay are not interchangeable


and as for powder long shot was not made in the 80's so i dont have data for it

i only have 2 loads for #1 buck in the old aa one with SR4756 and one with blue dot both use the w.209's

[6pt-sika]

i know what im doing ive loaded shotshel for 2 years now ive played with enough
loads to know what it safe and what is not

WOW 2 whole years !

I am in awe !

I've been loading shotgun shells for well over 25 years !

[6pt-sika]

why would a load that works on the same weight of fine shot not work on buck as long as the wad was the right height for crimping?

It will !

I proved this to myself not to very long ago with a 2 7/8" 10 gauge !

I load 1 1/4 ounce birdshot in it and it works out close enough that I can load a dozen 00 Buck as well using the same wad , primer and powder charge !

If you purchase one of BPI's buckshot manuals and look at their load data you will see that they do not differentiate between buck sizes just nominal weights !

[camerl2009]

AA hulls
Load Type Gauge Shot Wt. Powder Primer Wad Powder Wt. (Gr.) Pressure Vel. (ft/s)
Lead Shot 12 1 1/2 oz. Longshot Win. 209 Rem. RP12 27 9,900 PSI 1205
Lead Shot 12 1 1/2 oz. Longshot Win. 209 Rem. RP12 28 11,400 PSI 1260
Lead Shot 12 1 1/2 oz. Longshot Win. 209 WAA12R 26.4 10,100 PSI 1205
Lead Shot 12 1 1/2 oz. Longshot Win. 209 WAA12R 28 11,500 PSI 1260

if you can change to 00 buck and 1 1/8 oz it should work just fine

[500cadillac]

if you can change to 00 buck and 1 1/8 oz it should work just fine

No. I am not hunting deer, this would be for coyote/rabbit.

[camerl2009]

No. I am not hunting deer, this would be for coyote/rabbit.

lol #1 buck is way to big for rabbit #2 lead shot is what i use and it works good

and i dont know what the hunting reg's are in MAN but i know in ONT you cant go bigger then #2 lead shot

1 oz of #2 lead will be good enough for rabbit

[woody1]

Gentlemen, gentlemen, gentlemen........I was going to stay out of this but in the name of civility, I'm entering the discussion.

In their book Reloading for Shotgunners 4th edition, the learned authors Kurt D. Fackler and M.L. McPherson whose names you may or may not recognize, state unequivocably that "...... finer lead birdshot loads are often convertible to buckshot loads. Many tests indicate that the same weight of buckshot in a load that contains fine lead birdshot will produce the same or slightly less test pressure. However do not under any circumstances presume you can make a heavier load. Buckshot may be used in any load as long as the weight of the load does not change and the shotcup has room for the larger sized pellets."

Regards, Woody

[woody1]

Back to the OP question. I doubt that you can get 16 No. 1 buck in a 2 3/4" 12 gauge load using a shotcup. I'd guess 12 is all you an get in. You could prob'ly get 16 in (4 layers of 4) if loaded without a shotcup. Regards, Woody

[Silicon Wolverine]

you may get that many in if you use a seperate gas seal and a cushionless shotcup. its not optimal but it would work if load size is what youre after. removing the length of the legs from the wad coulmn would give you extra room for shot.

shot size doesnt matter, weight does. as long as the powder charge matches the weight and the wad column is correct there is no reason the load wont work as long as its properly developed.


SW

[Dixie Slugs]

Get some LBC43mm and do a 16 buck load with stacks of two in the 12 gauge 2 3/4" loads.....use Federal, Cheddite, or Fiocchi straight walled hulls, buffer, and roll crimp.
Matches the Dixie #1 Buck Special.......James