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    Best starter shotgun

    I am going to purchase shotguns and rifles for the few people in my family who don't have guns. I already selected the mosin nagant 91/30 for the rifle, but should I get them a H&R single shot shotgun or the H&R pump action.

    How do you order the extra barrels for these guns?
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    I went to Google, typed in "H&R SHOTGUN BARRELS" and THIS was the first listing.

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    Personally, after getting my first Remington 870 41 years ago and having shot literally dozens of them and used them for target games, hunting big and small game, and law enforcement I think you should shop wisely for used 870's. There are great deals out there for guns and accessories.

    Duke

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    I would definately agree with the 870 reccomendation. With an 870, you have all the options open to you. And, they're all made in the USA.
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    Immediate family or extended ? Women and children or adolescent and above boys ?

    It really just depends on the person the gun is for an its long-term intended purpose. A pump is more versatile, good for birds and home defense. A single shot is fine for anything, provided they can actually use it proficiently, but not optimal for everything.

    A good used 870 of older manufacture would be a fine value.

    On the other hand, I just love blasting red squirrels with a 20ga single shot. Something about that little shotgun makes it 10x more fun. I carry it sometimes when stalking deer. So much lighter than my 870, far less damaged meat, but thats due to ammo selection as well as caliber difference.

    You'd also be looking at twice the price for the Remington. If it was my only shotgun, I'd go with an 870. If it was for training/plinking, as i think yours is, and you have other guns, I'd pick up a single shot, probably in 20 ga. I can't comment on the recoil for the 12 in a h&r or NEF, haven't fired one.

    If it has to be a 12 ga, and you're trying to get people interested/trained, get something with more weight. All people perceive recoil differently, but my wife won't shoot my 870 in 12ga unless she had to, even with birdshot. I think its more the muzzle blast than recoil, but never the less, its the present state of things here. She will shoot that single-shot 20ga though. She's also not very interested in shooting.

    I don't know if you reload and can provide a reduced load until they get more comfortable with shooting a shotgun, thats another option.

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    A good solid Single Shot is the best to learn on.

    Keeps them thinking of the FIRST shot and not rushing it.

    I think Ammo Manufacturers DESIGNED the AutoLoader

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    Quote Originally Posted by nanuk View Post
    A good solid Single Shot is the best to learn on.

    Keeps them thinking of the FIRST shot and not rushing it.

    I think Ammo Manufacturers DESIGNED the AutoLoader
    I am with this line of thinking. I hunt with my family that all learned on the same break action single shot and we all make the first shot count. The people I hunt with that all had fancy autoloaders or pump shotguns to learn on take 2 or 3 times as many shots per bird. The autoloading and pump guns have their place but they're not conducive to forming good habits.

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    Single Poke is hard to beat for first run. My first at twelve years of age, 37A I cut grass one whole summer for. I still have it today, but it lives next to a whole row of 870's. Shot about everything there is out there, I likes my 870's. Gtek

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    my first shot gun was a single barrel 16 ga. don't know who made it. but that was back in the dat when the stores would open a box of slugs and sell you as many as you could aford. infact i still keep an old stevens 12 ga. by the kitchen door in case it is needed.

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    I agree with a good single for begining shooters, and it's still one of the first I grab to stroll the woods with.
    grit yer teeth an pull the trigger

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    For a beginer: No question H&R. Gives them repeated and easy things to do which reenforces loading, handling, shooting, unloading. Makes the uninitiated think about what's going on. Easy for the range officer/teacher to visually see if the gun is safe. Action open! Makes range instructions simple and easy for the student. I've lived with and by the 870 for many decades and I think there is no finer shotgun made. Period. I can just about operate it in my sleep. For the student shooter - shotgunner, they have to learn action bar, safety, pump action, chamber clear?/chamber loaded?, empty round in the chamber, short stroke, jam clearing, plus the shooting of the target. Besides, the H&R is an inexpensive, all-around tool that will serve a lifetime.

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    870 for sure, mine is a 28" barrel and the wifes is a 26"
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    Cant argue with a 870...still usin my dads and its taken lots of game and fired countless thousands of shells both hunting and trap shootin.
    But I think a bargain is the Mossberg 500 pump. Not pretty, kind of a rattle-trap, but very strong and shoots well... the advantage of a pump over a single shot is the ability to change chokes. In my opinion makes them more versatile.
    That said...my first shotgun was a 20ga single shot and I did shoot a lot of game with it.

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    I was goin to get them a single shot for the exact reasons y'all said. Learn to make the first shot count.

    I'd rather get mossberg than Remington just a preference. I also wanted to know how solid the H&R single shot is. I wanted to get a single shot to develop skill not just cause I'm a cheap bastard.

    I will be getting the 12ga not the 20ga I will be loading for them once I get my current housing situation under control.
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    The 870 is the first and last shotgun you will ever need.

    Short barrel for home defense, long barrel for birds.

    Just dont mall ninja the darn thing
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    The pump does not have to be loaded to capacity with with the maximum number of shells! Just load one at a time. Or cut a dowel to the proper length and put it in the magazine to guarantee that it remains a single shot until the student is ready.

    The additional weight of a pump shotgun compared to a single shot will steady the swing and follow thru, in addition to absorbing recoil with all loads.

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    Idealy the best teaching shotgun is a simi auto. Put a plug in to block the magazine, shoot it as a single. After the shot the action is locked open for the whorld to see it is clear.

    Most singles have a higher preceived recoil factor. The biggest I would go in a single is 20, prefur the 410 for beginers
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    Good point about a plugged semi. Not only does the action remain open, but the semi-auto action further reduces recoil. I had mentioned the pump as that was the alternative to a single shot in the discussion, and may be a preferred firearm for many down the road. I use an over-under for my hunting and sport needs and a side-by-side for Cowboy Action.

    The NRA teaches instructors that the 20 gauge is the preferred shotgun for beginners. Although the 410 has lower recoil, the shot string actually makes it a gun for the experienced. I know this is contrary info. to what many people learned with.

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    870 Remington. As Lead Fred said, first and last gun. I have at least three(last time I counted). If you want a single shot... just load one at a time... Trust me, I've carried them in all situational conditions and for all reasons.
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    My daughter's first deer gun is an H&R 20 ga slug hunter. One of the most accurate slug guns I've shot. And you can't beat their quality for there price.

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