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Thread: The .32 S&W Long as a man-stopper

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    I agree.
    Best is to buy a gun that shoots the acp cartridge.
    I agree with The Schwartz.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alferd Packer View Post
    I agree.
    Best is to buy a gun that shoots the acp cartridge.
    I agree with The Schwartz.
    Most certainly, Al.

    One of the concerns that I have for the OP is that the rimless .32ACP may prove problematic (without the use of moonclips of some sort) and I'd be concerned with misalignmnet increasing pressures in an older firearm with less-advanced metallurgy.


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    Quote Originally Posted by The Schwartz View Post
    Most certainly, Al.

    One of the concerns that I have for the OP is that the rimless .32ACP may prove problematic (without the use of moonclips of some sort) and I'd be concerned with misalignmnet increasing pressures in an older firearm with less-advanced metallurgy.

    .32 ACP is not rimless, but semi-rimmed. But firing the ACP in .32 revolvers is not a good idea for numerous reasons explained in my earlier post #593
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    You have to agree also that reloading for any of this old iron is a crapshoot at best.
    Taken on an individual basis, what works for my gun can cause yours to go to pieces, and while I don't wish that on anyone, it's a possibility every time you pull the trigger.
    I am more comfortable shooting these old girls with primer-powered wax bullets or plastic primer-powered glue bullets than trying black powder and lead slugs even.
    Just hate to think of booby-trapping myself or a fellow reloader.
    But, also we are all like the kids who used to hit a roll of caps on the sidewalk with a hammer to make it go BOOM.
    You pay your nickle and take your chances.
    As long as you don't take someone else with you.
    NoT LOL, or no joke there.
    Anyway all we can do is be safe, till you pull the trigger.
    No guts, no glory. Stupid is as stupid does,etc.
    Me, I prefer the wax bullets anymore.
    Good luck and again, I love this thread and reading what you all have to say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Outpost75 View Post
    .32 ACP is not rimless, but semi-rimmed. But firing the ACP in .32 revolvers is not a good idea for numerous reasons explained in my earlier post #593
    I read it. We arrived at the same place. Bad idea, due to dimensional issues.

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    Since the 30 Carbine gets mentioned once in a while in this thread, here is a photo to think about.

    https://vilda.alaska.edu/digital/col...21/id/99/rec/1

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    Wow. Just wow.

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    There is a reason bullet placement is king, and everything else follows.

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    My wife is an avid shooter and when using her Mossberg 500 with 2 3/4 shell with no 4 buckshot she is very deadly indeed. However when walking her dog in a public park in the very early morning hours she is faced with coyotes. Both the 2 footed and 4 footed variety. Lugging around a 40" pump shotgun would not be feasible nor fun. ]

    She is an above average pistol shot with my Smith 586 with the 6 inch tube both with full power 357 and/or .38 +p+ handloads. Then again the Smith is a big honking weapon. Our solution was to arm her with a Charter Arms "Patriot" revolver with a 2.5" tube in 327 Federal Magnum caliber. This gives her 6 shots with terminal ballistics even with a low power 357 round without the muzzle blast or recoil of a heavier round. A Federal 327 Mag round with a 100 gr .312 provides 1500 FPS velocity with very manageable recoil although the muzzle blast is severe and the report very loud. With a soft point round the wounds inflicted would be very nasty.

    Recently I obtained some j word bullets from Lehigh industries. They are crafted out of solid copper and they have a unique carved shape that produces outstanding wound channels and excellent penetration for a round of only 75 gr but moving at well over 1700 FPS.

    I crafted up a bunch of these and she practiced with them and she liked 'em. They are very very loud but the recoil is manageable and her accuracy is very good with them. Now she carries them in her revolver and has two strip clips full of spare ammo to follow up with. I feel good about this combo and so does she.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bcp View Post
    Since the 30 Carbine gets mentioned once in a while in this thread, here is a photo to think about.

    https://vilda.alaska.edu/digital/col...21/id/99/rec/1

    Bruce
    That is almost as good as that elderly native Indian lady who killed a grizzly with a .22 Long single shot rifle.
    ref https://www.ammoland.com/2017/06/bel...#axzz63mwcY76s

    But is was amazingly impressive that he killed grizzlies with the .30 carbine though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Earlwb View Post
    That is almost as good as that elderly native Indian lady who killed a grizzly with a .22 Long single shot rifle.
    ref https://www.ammoland.com/2017/06/bel...#axzz63mwcY76s

    But is was amazingly impressive that he killed grizzlies with the .30 carbine though.


    Easy to kill them with a .30 carbine. The question is at what point do they die!


    Coyotes in the east are hard to get a shot at, A lot of times a boiler shot will be made but they still run farther than you can track. You very likely did kill them though.

    I have a bit of a hankering for a .32 H&R smith and Wesson. Not that I want it to carry for defense but as a pure enjoyment as a shooter and reloader. More than a rimfire but not unpleasant with a target wadcutter.

    I am not kidding myself that all my guns have to have a real defined purpose in the usual categories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lance Boyle View Post
    Easy to kill them with a .30 carbine. The question is at what point do they die!


    Coyotes in the east are hard to get a shot at, A lot of times a boiler shot will be made but they still run farther than you can track. You very likely did kill them though.

    I have a bit of a hankering for a .32 H&R smith and Wesson. Not that I want it to carry for defense but as a pure enjoyment as a shooter and reloader. More than a rimfire but not unpleasant with a target wadcutter.

    I am not kidding myself that all my guns have to have a real defined purpose in the usual categories.
    Although we’re supposed to be talking about the 32 S&W Long here, in the reloader realm I really don’t see that much difference between it and the 32 H&R. One of my great regrets is not getting one of the 4” adjustable sighted stainless Model 631 when Smith was making them... I just didn’t find out about them until they were discontinued and the prices keep climbing faster than my disposable income.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lance Boyle View Post
    Easy to kill them with a .30 carbine. The question is at what point do they die!
    "Though boys throw stones at frogs in sport, yet the frogs do not die in sport but in earnest."óBion of Borysthenes, 325-250 B.C.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Frog View Post
    Although we’re supposed to be talking about the 32 S&W Long here, in the reloader realm I really don’t see that much difference between it and the 32 H&R. One of my great regrets is not getting one of the 4” adjustable sighted stainless Model 631 when Smith was making them... I just didn’t find out about them until they were discontinued and the prices keep climbing faster than my disposable income.

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    A ported 632 is my edc in 327 FM. Next best thing is the SP101 4 inch.

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    If anyone is interested they have a nice article about the .32 Short and .32 Long Colt cartridges in the February 2020 Handloader magazine issue. The author did talk about the other .32's as well such as the.32 S&W long too.
    Last edited by Earlwb; 01-19-2020 at 11:27 PM. Reason: typo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alferd Packer View Post
    You have to agree also that reloading for any of this old iron is a crapshoot at best.
    Taken on an individual basis, what works for my gun can cause yours to go to pieces, and while I don't wish that on anyone, it's a possibility every time you pull the trigger.
    I am more comfortable shooting these old girls with primer-powered wax bullets or plastic primer-powered glue bullets than trying black powder and lead slugs even.
    Just hate to think of booby-trapping myself or a fellow reloader.
    But, also we are all like the kids who used to hit a roll of caps on the sidewalk with a hammer to make it go BOOM.
    You pay your nickle and take your chances.
    As long as you don't take someone else with you.
    NoT LOL, or no joke there.
    Anyway all we can do is be safe, till you pull the trigger.
    No guts, no glory. Stupid is as stupid does,etc.
    Me, I prefer the wax bullets anymore.
    Good luck and again, I love this thread and reading what you all have to say.
    One should always load informedly, for "the" Hand Gun one will be using the Loads in.

    Problem solved.

    And, his is the beauty of re-Loading, or of Loading Cartridges - one tailors them to the Arm in which they will be used.

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    Well, this Thread has inspired me so I now have a nice-enough-for fun or carry, older S & W Hand Ejector in .32 Long on the way...

    I'll report back some fun and info once I have done some Loading for it.

    I have an old 'IDEAL' Mold for .32-20 Wadcutters, and I will try those for this...and or size so suit if need be.

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    This is a great thread.

    For the sake of aiding others searching through this here is my condensed version of .32 wisdom:

    The .32 "Popguns"

    The ".32 Popguns" are great small game foraging guns which are much more effective on game larger than bunnies than any rimfire. While the .32 ACP and .32 S&W Long should not be your first choice as defense guns, when loaded with flat-nosed cast lead bullets they are more effective than LRN and FMJ bullets in those calibers which served in European police and military roles into the early 1980s.

    I find it interesting that the Colt 1851 Navy, with .375", 80-grain lead round ball and 20 grains of 3Fg black powder, killed multitudes of bad guys in its day, and approximates the energy of a .32 S&W Long revolver, about 850 fps... With handloaded ammunition, in a strong gun, the ballistic performance of the .32 ACP, .32 S&W Long, .32-20 Winchester and .32 H&R Magnum and .380 ACP are all very similar in terms of payload and velocity, about 90 grains at 900 fps.

    In a sturdy, steel-frame WW2 era .32 ACP autopistol, you can safely drive a 90-grain .309" Hornady XTP bullet at 900+ fps from a 3.5" barrel using 3 grains of AutoComp. Using a lubricated lead flat-nosed cast bullet of similar weight you approach 1000 fps with that same 3 grains of AutoComp and penetrate 30+ inches of water jugs. In the recently imported modern light alloy-frames like the Beretta 81 former police pistols, reduce the charge to 2.5 grains of AutoComp, Unique or Herco if you want the gun to last if you really plan to shoot it alot.

    A charge of 3 grains of Bullseye or 3.5 grains of 231 or HP38 does the same thing in a sturdy post-WW2 steel frame .32 S&W Long revolver like the S&W Model 30 or 31. This exceeds actual chronograph results for 100-grain .32-20 Winchester factory loads fired from a 5-inch revolver.

    In post-1918 S&W .32-20 Hand Ejectors having heat treated cylinders you can safely load 3.5 grains of Bullseye, 5 grains of AutoComp, 7.5 grains of Alliant #2400 or 10 grains of 4227 with a 100-grain lead flat-nosed bullet for about 1000 fps from a 5" revolver having a tight cylinder gap of 0.004-0.006".

    That level of performance defines the "envelope" for the .32 H&R Magnum, for which the design intent was to efficiently attain full .32-20 black powder velocity levels in a case having correct capacity to efficiently use smokeless powder at pressures approximating the .38 Special +P, which could be chambered in small, compact pocket and "kit" guns. It does precisely that.

    The .327 Federal is to the .32s what the .357 Magnum is to the .38s. It approximates the ballistics of Winchester 1892 High Speed .32-20 rifle ballistics, but from a handgun. Think of it as a rimmed, revolver equivalent of the 7.62x25 Tokarev round. Its high velocity appeals to varmint shooters and enhances its potential as a defense round, but is unnecessary for a small game foraging gun, as full charge loads are overly destructive of table game.

    The advantage of the .327 is that revolvers chambered for it can also use .32 S&W Long or .32 H&R Magnum ammo, but that you have a sturdy gun for steady use with heavy loads which you are unlikely to shoot loose with what the late Frank Marshall, Jr. referred to as "adventurous experimentation." And if you really want to singe the hair off the backs of your hands, bring spots before your eyes with muzzle flash, and go deaf the first time you shoot full-charge .327s without ear plugs, then it's your huckleberry!

    I use my .32 handguns for the same things that "normal people" would use a .22 LR for, recreational shooting, small game and farm utility carry. It does a much better job at humanely putting down slaughtered animals than a .22 and can be loaded more cheaply than buying .22s at current prices, if you cast your own bullets from cheap scrap lead. One pound of Bullseye powder will load about 2500 rounds.

    In the rural south .32 guns and ammo are common. This must be a regional thing. Factory ammo is readily available from Internet sellers. Starline makes brass. A variety of suitable molds are available. I frequently find partial boxes of various .32 cartridges at estate and garage sales in my rural West Virginia county, and eagerly snap up all that I find.

    You need only ONE set of dies, a bullet mold, and two shell holders to reload for all of the common .32 rounds:

    .32 ACP
    .32 Smith & Wesson
    .32 Smith & Wesson Long
    .32 H&R Magnum
    .327 Federal

    If just starting to gear up to feed your new .32 Bunny Gun Fetish, buy RCBS .32 ACP dies having a carbide sizer, expander die and seater.

    Get shell holders for the .32 ACP (or a .30 carbine will work if you already have one) and .32 S&W Long (or a .223 Remington will also work if you already have one). Buy the Lee Bullet Sizing Kit in .311" diameter if you will load for the .32 ACP, or a .314" if you intend to load for the .32 S&W Long, .32 H&R Magnum or .327 Federal.

    Most versatile production "one fits all" mold is the RCBS 32-90CM mold which casts a 90-grain, flattened roundnose "Cowboy" slug. The Saeco #325 semi-wadcutter is a great choice for the revolvers and will also feed in the .32 ACP Colt 1903, Beretta 1935 and CZ27 pistols. In others maybe it will feed, maybe not.

    If your .32 Auto feeds flat nosed bullets and JHPs, Accurate has several which approximate the Buffalo Bore shape, but with sufficient .26" nose length to prevent rimlock. These are 31-077B, 31-084H and 31-090B, all being good choices in .32 ACP.

    If your pistol tends not to feed anything reliably but roundnose hardball, better bullet choices are Accurate 31-087T, 31-087B, 31-093T and 31-094H.

    Any of the 87 grain and heavier bullets which drop no smaller than .313" are suitable for the .32 revolvers and will shoot close to their fixed sights and can tolerate sizing to .311 for the .32 ACP if you want a dual-use bullet.

    Accurate 31-105T is a specialized double-crimp-groove design of traditional shape similar to factory bullets once used in the .32-20 and .32 Colt New Police. It is optimized for revolver use in the .32 S&W Long, .32 H&R Magnum and .32-20, but is a bit heavy and "fat" for successful use in .32 ACP auto pistols.

    Cast your .32 bullets from SOFT range backstop scrap or wheelweights, 10-12 BHN is good. Drop them onto a folded towel and let them slowly air cool. Harder quenched alloy is completely unnecessary. Lube your bullets by tumbling in Lee Liquid Alox only until they are a light brassy color all over. There is no need to "fill" the lube grooves for subsonic rounds fired from short barrels. You don't need to buy a lubricator-sizer. If bullets from your mold drop as-cast at .313-.314 you can load them in revolver ammo without sizing. If bullets drop over .314" they should be sized .311" for .32 ACP and .314 for the revolvers.

    Best bang for the buck is to buy Alliant Bullseye powder, and anybody's small pistol primers.

    The RCBS Little Dandy Measure is perfect for loading the small .32 cases.

    Use the Rotor #00 to load 1.7 grains of Bullseye in the .32 ACP with the 90-grain RCBS lead bullet, or 2 grains of TiteGroup for 75-78 grain bullets. This is also a safe load in .32 S&W Long for pre-1918 S&W 1903 Hand Ejectors and Colt New Pocket revolvers which are not heat treated.

    Use the Rotor #0 to measure 2.2 grains of Bullseye loading lighter 75-80 grain bullets in the .32 ACP, or to approximate factory loads with your 90-105 grain Cowboy lead bullets in the .32 S&W Long for use in heat treated, but pre-WW2 revolvers.

    Use the Rotor #1 to assemble "full-charge" loads in the .32 S&W Long, 2.5 grains of Bullseye for about 850 fps with the 90-105 grain lead bullets in .32 S&W Long brass for general use in postwar S&W Models 30 and 31 and postwar Colt D-frames chambered in .32 Colt New Police.

    Rotor #1 and the same 2.5 grains of Bullseye with 71-grain FMJs at 0.97” minimum cartridge OAL in the .32 ACP, which approximates CIP-Euro loads at 905 fps from a 3.5 inch barrel and should not be exceeded in WW2-era steel frame holster pistols, and being OK for moderate use in the postwar light alloy frames if you are not shooting high volume quantities.

    In strong, modern revolvers chambered for the .32 S&W Long, such as the S&W Model 30 or 31, or any chambered for .32 H&R Magnum ammunition, you may use the Little Dandy measure Rotor #3 for 3 grains of Bullseye in .32 S&W Long brass with the 90 grain RCBS bullet or the Hornady 85-grain XTP for about 900 fps from a 4-inch barrel. Consider this a "+P" load for occasional use only in the modern post-WW2 steel frame guns .

    You can match factory velocities 1000+ fps with 90-grain lead bullet or 85-grain .312" Hornady XTP in the .32 H&R Magnum using the RCBS Little Dandy Rotor #5 to meter 3.5 grs. of Bullseye in Starline .32 H&R Magnum brass with the Federal 200 primer.

    The same 3.5 grain charge of Bullseye is a standard-pressure, full charge 900+ fps load with 90-105-grain lead bullets which is safe in any post 1905 .32-20 revolver proofed for smokeless powder.

    Some manuals suggest higher velocities in .32 H&R Mag. and .32-20 loads than this, but supersonic velocities defeat the purpose of a non-destructive small game load which permits you to “eat right up to the bullet hole.” The RCBS Cowboy bullet has a flat nose which provides good crush and deep penetration. It does not need to be driven supersonic to be effective.

    Do not shoot thousands of .32 ACP cast bullet loads with bullets heavier than 80 grains in the tiny Keltec and Beretta “mouse guns” having light alloy frames, because they are "frame crackers."

    If you have GrandDad's Colt M1903 Pocket Hammerless, Beretta M1935, CZ27, or Walther PP bringback from WW2 the 84-90-grain lead loads run like a pony trotting.

    In steel frame guns you have no worries with up to 2.2 grains of Bullseye with the 90-grain RCBS bullet at .311" diameter and a minimum cartridge OAL of 0.95"

    Consider 3 grains of AutoComp in the .32 ACP with the 90-grain Hornady .309" XTP at 0.95" OAL as +P for occasional and emergency use, not as steady diet unless you "heavy-up" the recoil spring with one intended for the .380 ACP version of your Colt, CZ, Beretta or Walther steel-framed pistol.
    Last edited by Outpost75; 01-28-2020 at 11:48 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oyeboten View Post
    One should always load informedly, for "the" Hand Gun one will be using the Loads in.

    Problem solved.

    And, his is the beauty of re-Loading, or of Loading Cartridges - one tailors them to the Arm in which they will be used.
    Amen to that my brother reloader!

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    Thank-you Outpost75

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