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Thread: What happened to GOEX Pinnacle

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    Boolit Master
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    Aug 2009
    SE Michigan

    What happened to GOEX Pinnacle

    I bought some of this to try in my 45/70 Navy Creedmor and now it is no longer listed.
    Does anybody know why they discontinued it?
    Merry Christmas


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    Boolit Master powderburnerr's Avatar
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    you didnt buy enough so they discontinued it,
    according to their website it was a poor seller.
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    That is not the reason. Pinnacle was made for them by APP and was more or less the same product. When Hodgdon purchased Goex the writing was already on the wall as to how long it would remain as a product. Hodgdon and APP was in a court battle that involved millions of dollars. No one expected Hodgdon to continue to do business with a company that just had them in court. I think it was the first thing they did after the papers were signed was to advise APP they no longer needed the Pinnacle produced. Powder Inc. still has some back stock for sale. Any you find will be of older production. They will of course not tell the public the truth about it. They as all companies try to keep the dirty laundry hidden.
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    Boolit Grand Master
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    South Jersey
    Gerry, to fill in some dot points to cajun shooter's description of what happened:
    * Pinnacle is a heat degraded ascorbic acid based powder as was Clean Shot
    * Hodgdon sued Clean Shot Technologies for infringement of their Pyrodex technology
    * As a result of the verdict, Clean Shot went out of business and formed a new company, American Pioneer Powder making the same ascorbic acid based powder
    * Goex wanted in on substitute powders and contracted with APP to make an ascorbic acid based powder called Pinnacle
    * Hodgdon had Pyrodex and in the meantime developed Triple Seven. Hodgdon Powder Company began to ship their new black powder substitute in February, 2002.
    * In 2009,Hodgdon purchased Goex and had in their product line, Pyrodex and Triple Seven. Pinnacle was deemed to be a low revenue product and was phased out
    * In addition, Hodgdon was aware that Pinnacle powder was nothing more than the same minor modification formulation of the old Clean Shot ascorbic acid based powder

    Here is a recap of the law suit between Hodgdon and Clean Shot:
    November 2001, Shawnee Mission, Kansas Hodgdon Powder Company announces that Clean Shot Technologies, Inc. was shot down by a jury verdict in a patent infringement lawsuit filed by Hodgdon.

    A Federal Court jury in West Palm Beach Florida on Monday November 5, 2001 unanimously handed down a verdict in favor of Hodgdon Powder Company, Inc. and against Clean Shot Technologies, and awarded Hodgdon damages in the sum of $1,014,660.

    The jury rejected all of Clean Shot's claims that the Hodgdon patent was not valid, including evidence of products claimed to have been made by the long defunct Golden Powder Company. The jury unanimously found that Clean Shot had willfully infringed Hodgdon's Pyrodex Pellet patent by copying and selling pelletized powder known as "Quick Shots". An injunction prohibiting further production and sale of "Quick Shots" was issued November 7, 2001.

    Hodgdon will also file a post trial motion asking the Judge to increase damages up to three times based on the jury's finding of willfulness

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