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Give black powder a try. Old rifles like this are designed to have bullet slug up in the bore with proper lead tin alloy bullets.

20:1 alloy for all my trapdoors 66 through 88. All my cartridges are standardized after the government Arsenal loads.

The Lee is best at .515. Lyman is like .512. Lee shoots great in my 1866 &1870. 70g 2f, LRP, no crimp.

It wa s ugly because it was ground breaking tech. Unheard of was it to see a rifle with two locking lugs, a internal striker, tube magazine. Truly the most advanced military rifle of its day.

I shot a 20 round group with unaltered and 20 rounds altered brass. The 3/32 brass shot the most consistently and smallest group.

Strange, my rifles didn't not shoot worth a hoot untill I hit them with a 3/32 drillbit. Like night and day. When from 12" to 3" groups. The crimp on the 405g was also nessecary. No wad. Next I'm...

Let me elaborate of the negative jump I mentioned. So far. Every group I have shot from the prone supported has produced verticle strings except when I DO NOT place my hand under the rifle. Every...

Hi there, mabey we can collude on this matter with trapdoors and verticle stringing. I am currently developing loads for an 1888 RRB, 1884 carbine and 1879 Trapdoor rifle with the 405g and 500gn...

Its deffinatly a strange looking gun. Effective nonetheless

No crimp, slip fit on top of the solid compressed black powder. Feeds fine with no issues

The gras is a really under appreciated rifle and cartridge. I have a somewhat ratty m80 gras that shoots the same .440 projectile with a paper patch. As accurate as any other rifle of the era. Glad...

Nice I will try the Pam trick on my woods walk. Neither of my bullets have sufficient lube grooves.

A recent search through YouTube and Google has shown me how very few people who shoot Vetterlis use HOLY BLACK. Many posts also claim its impossible to fit 58g of 3f in the case like the orginal..
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Didn't even see your comment before I posted my response. Your are entirely correct. Most military rifles of that era relied on obturating projectiles to fill the way larger throat immediately upon...

Well, fireform your brass and see how big of a bullet you can fit and custom order a mold. Those guys on the BMF have been using that oversize bullet to good effect for a long time, myself included....

Where is that

Looking for an old rapine mold or other .460 500g molds for trapdoors.

Is anyone able to tell me anything about my trapdoors? They have been in the family for 70+ years and I would greatly appreciate some insight about them!

Carbine 1884 sn 331486
Rifle 1873 sn...

Tell him him Steve with his old vetterli sent ya!!!

Email Martyn Robinson @ xringservices@yahoo.com for an aluminum .600 snider mold. Casts a stubby conical round that will make your snider shine past 100 yards and beyond!

I currently reload for the 405 load and an 1873 trapdoor, but haven't yet for the 500g load with buffington rear sights. Anyone here have any leads or recommendations for suitable 500g 45 70 cast...

Email me for a copy 11chassepot@gmail.com

Assuming your profile picture is of a ball mill, I'm assuming you know what your talking about! What was the deal with that old powder? He still reached the correct velocities. But was the initial...

I've loaded with 30:1 405gn hollow base bullets and swiss 70g 1.5fg. Larger pistol primers is all I have on hand. I have pretty good accuracy out to 150 but haven't got in tip of the sights past that

I'm making this post to hopefully gather several different perspectives on loading the 405g style cartridge in a trapdoor with the 1879 style "buckhorn" sights.

Ive been reading his book and...