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Ok but do the data account for variables like shooting uphill, downhill, etc? It's one thing to have consistency between shots on a flat bench at the range but if you're shooting flat once and then...

My concern with red dot isn't so much safety but lack of bulk and shot to shot velocity variations based on how the powder happens to be laying in each case

Interesting, never heard of those I'll check them out

OK great info thanks! To be honest I've never experimented with these bunny fart loads before because I've used a Hammond game getter for years in my main hunting rifle. Cool little device that takes...

Well looks like I'll need to keep an eye out for red dot. If there's anyone in Iowa with some trail boss they don't need I'd be glad to buy it from you or trade, I've got lots of once fired brass and...

So since trail boss seems to be gone indefinitely, would there be a viable alternative that would be safe for subsonic loads in a 308 Winchester sized case?

The specific cartridge I'm working...

Well he has a conversion kit for the Fn Fnx 45 which comes from the factory with a stainless slide

This is incorrect. Starline themselves states that the 45 super brass is identical in thickness to 460 brass in all areas, the only difference being in the length, which serves ONLY to prevent 460...

I emailed Clark customs but never heard anything back. Oh well.

That's a good idea I'll shoot them a message and post their response here

Were talking about 45 super being able to accomplish what 460 rowland can, not 45 acp being able to accomplish what 45 super can.

Yes the comp should slow down slide speed and keep it locked slightly longer due to the gas working against the ports and the added weight. That's the theory anyway if like to see slow mo footage of...

I've read of reports of primer flow with 460 Rowland rounds but never heard anything about the chamber walls being too thin or anything like that. I'm thinking that 450 SMC would be even stronger yet...

Well Roland claims to use the same 416 stainless that pretty much everyone else does, they do mention heat treat but they are pretty vague about it, I'm guessing it's purely marketing. Seeing as the...

Considering the fact that 357 Sig runs at the same pressure I'd say most pistols, obviously Glock FN Springfield HK and 1911s since they are listed by Rowland

Yes that's exactly what I mean

I feel like that could be easily accomplished by putting it in a box marked 45 super do not fire in 45 ACP gun with lots of exclamation points. Seems like a pretty specific scenario to Warrant a...

I'm still curious about my original question and anyone's thoughts on that...

Yeah its not something I've ever seen in real life but it solves the problem you describe. A simple weapon light that extend beyond the muzzle will accomplish the same thing also.

Lol who cares if others know what it's for?

A simple rail mounted standoff device cures that issue

Yes I know what they're rated at and loaded to, but since the brass and capacity is identical I don't see why the 45 super couldn't be loaded to the exact same pressure as the 460, and the 450 smc...

And along the same lines, shouldn't the 450 smc be even stronger yet than both the 45 super and the 460 theoretically?

For someone who rolls their own and has a well supported 45 acp barrel with a comp, is there any advantage to 460 rowland vs 45 super? The coal and case capacity is identical and starline says the...

Oh yeah I didn't realize 38 special was so close in capacity. Should be easy enough to find 165 or even 180gr data for the 38