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I am away from all my manuals and wondering in my mind if 9.5 grs of Red Dot is excessive for a 30-30 with a 150gr cast boolit? My gut tells me it's ok but my mind is next to the gun when fired[emoji16] An internet search did not help.
Thanks
Thomas
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The only Manual I have on hand(next to my recliner) is the LYMAN 49th. No listing for RED DOT, no listing for 150gr Cast.
Sorry
Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook:
115g cast bullet Red Dot 7-10g (1400-1747 fps)
151g cast bullet Red Dot 6.8-9g (1257-1481 fps)
170g Cast bullet Red Dot 6.5-8.5g (1159-1348 fps)
Thank you sir. I 've already loaded 30 rounds (oops) but they'e not way overboard so I 'll try them in my Mauser 93 first to see what's what. I owe you one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rcmaveric
Thomas
Of course I'll cross check my manuals when I return home.
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If you have something else to shoot them in, you might want to use it. The Mauser 93 is a weaker action than the later models.
170 grn http://www.gmdr.com/lever/lowveldata.htm
anything that works for 170 should be safe for 150
Outpost75 http://castboolits.gunloads.com/show...=1#post4013072
Used lots of Red Dot over the years,
2.5 grains in .32 S&W Long with 98-105 grain bullet
3 grains in .32 H&R Mag and .32-20 with 100-120 grain bullet
4 grains in 7.62x39 with 150-162 grain bullet
5 grains in .32-40 with 170-grain bullet
6 grains in .30-30 with 130-170 grain bullet, and in .44-40 with 200-grain bullet
7 grains in .30-40 Krag with 200-230 grain bullet, and in .44 Magnum with same weight
8 grains in .30-'06 with 160-grain cast bullet
13 grains in .303 Brit, .308 Win., .30-'06 7.9x57 with pulled military FMJ Ball bullets.
Ed Harris https://castbulletassoc.org/forum/th...ns-of-red-dot/
Thanks, Grmps. I looked at all those but did not find a reference to 9.5grs of Red Dot in the 30-30. Perhaps I overlooked it.
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Taken from the Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook - 3rd Edition - 1980 page 179
I M S #311291
169 gr., (#2 A l l o y ) 2.521" OAL 170 g r
#31141
, (#2 A l l o y ) 2.510" OAL
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Pressure
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F.P.S.
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Velocity
F.P.S.
Pressure
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Velocity
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Pressure
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Red Dot 6.5 1145 24,600 8.5 1363 34,500 Red Dot 6.5 1159 24,600 8.5 1348 34,500
700X 6.0 1101 26,400 7.5 1253 34,000 700X 6.0 1124 24,600 7.5 1269 34,000
Green Dot 7 0 1126 23.400 90 1348 33,500 Green Dot 7.0 1192 25,200 90 1373 33,500
PB 6.5 1093 24,000 8.7 1311 36,900 PB 6.5 1100 23,400 8.7 1286 36,900
Unique 7.0 1211 19,800 10.6 1568 36,000 Unique 7.0 1240 21,600 10.6 1555 35,500
SR-7625 6.5 1107 22,800 9.0 1348 36,400 SR-7625 65 1118 22,800 9.0 1337 36,900
Herco 9.0 1328 28,200 11.5 1538 38,100 Herco 8.5 1281 25,800 11.0 1505 33,000
SR-4756 7.0 1123 19,800 105 1431 35,000 SR-4756 7.0 1102 19,800 10.5 1423 36,400
"SR-4759 14.8 1530 19,900 18.5 1862 36,100 "SR-4759 15.5 1613 23,700 17.7 1803 32,600
"RX7 190 1635 20,200 28.0 2152 34,400 "RX7 200 1632 19,800 28.6 2165 34,500
"IMR-3031 22.5 1599 18,300 28.5 2095 32,500 "IMR-3031 21.6 1555 20,100 27.0 2016 31,300
"748 23.8 1604 16,900 37.3+ 2355 35,100 "748 24.8 1613 22,500 35.0+ 2270 32,900
"H335 20.3 1638 18,500 32.5 2230 32,800 "H335 22.0 1596 23,200 30.0 2254 33,800
According to Lyman, I'm 1/2 grain over max for the 151 gr bullet. I fired one from my Marlin last night; primer is slightly flat but case head expansion is nil. I'm going to shoot them but next batch will be a grain lighter on the powder.
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They shoot ok. This is 40 yards and as I'm getting it dialed in this happened. Crapnoodle.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...0bf55a77e8.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...d60476d1de.jpg
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It's a good load in my 8mm. These are at 40 yards. I pulled a shot with the 44-40 but shot a 4" group on steel at 100 yards so I'm happy with both!https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...6477b51739.jpg
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FWIW - - - Quickload says that's on the hairier side of maximum. IMHO Red Dot is great for reduced velocity loads - pressure in the vicinity of 12000 psi or so. If all you have is Red Dot, it will work but you can never get the velocity of slower powders without seriously over-pressuring the rifle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Texas by God
This was a mistake on my part as far as the 30-30 goes and won't be repeated. However I will use 9.5 grains Red Dot in the 8x57 often and you can see why.
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The 3 holes, upper left on target, I see oval shaped holes from bullet tipping.Quote:
Originally Posted by Texas by God
Good eye but I think the cardboard target against the wood pallet is the culprit. Look at the 8mm and 44-40 holes in the later post. I'll try the 30-30 @ 100 yds and see if yaw is occuring. Thanks, SWheeler.Quote:
Originally Posted by swheeler
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They're hitting point on as far as I can see.
And I made some plinking fun for Labor Day, too. I love simple.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...d663228a2b.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...092be9c08c.jpg
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9.5 good for 30-06
8.5 for. 308 W
7.5 for 30-30
All with 150 gr. cast
Good subloads works for me.
All Red Dot.
TbG
Any hint of velocity on the 8mm 175 grainer load?
My eddicated guess is around 1500fps or so. I sold my chronograph as I have found I don't care as much about velocity as I did before. If a load reaches my accuracy standard and good terminal effects if a hunting load- I'm happy.
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I let my brother shoot it today with these loads and the smart aleck cut a perfect 3 shot cloverleaf at 40 yards (.6")
Love it!
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