Well, he's alive after being shot 3 times with an AR,Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Fischer
and in the hospital facing large medical bills.
So that's about as alright as you can be in that regard.
At least people have started to help him with the Medical bills
- he's at $51k out of $100K anticipated to be billed.
An that is a very important consideration. Being hospitalized for an extended peeiod can RUIN you. But so can being sued. Everyone who carries should consider carriers insurance.
God bless this good man and protect him from further problems arising from what he did. Men who run TOWARD danger whenever it crops up are heroes in every sense of the word, and we need more of them now than ever before. God bless them all.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/06/01...tcmp=obnetwork
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CRIME
Houston shooter fired 212 rounds from military-style assault rifle, police say
Published June 01, 2016
2 dead, 6 wounded in Houston shooting
HOUSTON – An Army veteran of two Afghanistan tours who killed one person and wounded several others during a weekend rampage fired 212 rounds from his military-style rifle before a SWAT officer fatally shot him, police said Tuesday.
"Suffice to say, after he fired 212 rounds, he was prepared," police Lt. John McGalin said of ammunition carried by 25-year-old Dionisio Garza III, of Rancho Cucamonga, California.
McGalin said Garza was armed with an AR-15 rifle and a pistol and likely was experiencing a "mental health crisis" when he opened fire Sunday morning at a Houston auto detail shop, using the pistol to kill a customer, then retrieving the rifle and spraying the west Houston neighborhood, motorists and then police with gunshots.
"He was suffering from some depression, I guess you could say," McGalin said. "His family indicated he wasn't feeling right. And he left to come here to hang out with some friends and to try to find some work."
Garza's relatives have said he was haunted by his Afghanistan deployment.
Six people were wounded, including two officers and three motorists. McGalin said the sixth person wounded, John Wilson, 30, who initially on Sunday was considered a possible suspect in the outburst, was a nearby resident who armed himself after hearing all the gunfire and intended to try to assist in stopping Garza.
"He got outgunned, realized he was in a bad situation, tried to leave and was shot in the leg by the suspect when he tried to get to safety," McGalin said. "He was coming out to help. He didn't think very wisely, made a bad choice and got himself into a bad situation."
Wilson and the three other wounded civilians were hospitalized in stable condition. The two officers were released earlier.
Patrol vehicles were left bullet riddled and a police helicopter was hit with at least five shots.
McGalin said investigators believed Garza selected both the location and his victims at random. Detectives said he broke into an adjacent tire store late Saturday afternoon, then emerged Sunday morning with a pistol and shot 56-year-old Eugene Linscomb, a customer who had arrived moments earlier at the auto detail shop.
"Why he selected that location, there seems to be no rhyme or reason to it," he said. But McGalin said it appears Garza felt safe at that spot "due to his military training."
"He had access to three corners. He was backed up against a fence so he didn't have to worry about anybody coming from behind him. It was just a location he felt safe doing this. And that's the only thing we can surmise at this point in time until something different comes along," McGalin said.
He said detectives found some "random writings" at the tire store where Garza spent Saturday night but declined to elaborate.
"It doesn't appear to be a terrorism link to this or anything like that," he said. "It just appears to be someone who was in a mental health crisis."
Acting Police Chief Martha Montalvo said the investigation "is still evolving," with numerous witnesses yet to interview and evidence to examine.
She credited residents who called Sunday and then "opened up their homes to allow us to do what we had to do."
Police declined to be specific, but it appeared the SWAT officer who killed Garza nearly an hour after the shooting began was stationed more than 100 yards away at one of those homes.
"In my mind, they're heroes and averted what I believe could have been more casualties," Montalvo said.
Garza spent four years in the Army, receiving his discharge in 2014, according to Pentagon records released Tuesday. During that time, he served two tours in Afghanistan, the first from December 2009 to November 2010 and the second from December 2012 to August 2013. Assigned to infantry, he reached the rank of sergeant in December 2011.
"I think he was haunted by everything that he saw there and he experienced there," his stepmother, Cathy Garza, told ABC News. "I think it changes you. I don't know how you can go through what he went through and see what he saw and not have it change you or have it affect you."
Garza's family told Houston television station KPRC that something snapped in him following the two tours in Afghanistan and that his condition worsened in recent weeks.
"Just in the last two weeks it progressively got worse," said his father, Dionisio Garza. "It was not the same boy that we raised. Not the loving uncle, the loving brother.
"Something snapped. It wasn't him anymore. I'm not making excuses. No excuses. I know he did this, but it wasn't him anymore. My son was broken."
Rather disturbing.
Hmm. i wonder what really happened. Was this guy a "cowboy" as the article states or a bystander with a CCW that decided he wasn't gonna go down without a fight?
212 rounds fired is a minimum of 8 magazines. This took forethought. Sad really.
Does anyone one have any articles or evidence of WW1, WW2, Korea, Vietnam era vets committing such heinous acts?
In addition to this, I would LOVE to know if this guy was being pumped full of psych meds, since that seems to be a common factor with mass shootings.Quote:
Originally Posted by osteodoc08
Really? Which other mass shooters were "pumped full of psych meds"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lonegun1894
That is a very telling choice of words. Not about the shooter but about you.
Lets see: South Carolina church shooter, Dylann Storm Roof was on the benzodiazepine anti-anxiety drug Xanax and the pain killer Suboxone. ,Quote:
Originally Posted by Markbo
Santa Barbara college shooter, Elliot Rodger, was on Xanax and the pain killer Vicodin,
Aurora Colorado theater shooter, James Holmes, was taking the SSRI antidepressant Zoloft and the anti-anxiety drug Clonazepam,
Germanwings Airlines co-pilot Andreas Lubitz, who took down his plane and mass-murdered 144 people, had been on Lorazepam, an anti-anxiety drug, as well as an unnamed antidepressant,
Kip Kinkel was withdrawing from Prozac and had been prescribed Ritalin when he murdered his mother and stepfather then shot 22 classmates, killing two, in 1998.Christopher Pittman was withdrawing from Luvox and from Paxil when he killed his paternal grandparents in 2001.
Elizabeth Bush, who fired at fellow students in Williamsport, Pa., in 2001, wounding one, was on Prozac.
Jason Hoffman, was on Effexor and Celexa when he opened fire at his El Cajon, Calif., high school, wounding five.
Shawn Cooper of Notus, Idaho, was on antidepressants when he fired a shotgun on students and staff.
T.J. Solomon, on antidepressants, wounded six at his Conyers, Ga., high school.
Eric Harris was taking Luvox when he and fellow student Dylan Klebold killed 12 students and a teacher and wounded 24 others before turning their guns on themselves at Columbine High School in Colorado.
At Virginia Tech in 2007, where 32 were murdered, authorities found “prescription medications related to the treatment of psychological problems had been found among Mr. Cho’s effects,” according to the New York Times.
How's the above INCOMPLETE list?
http://www.wnd.com/2012/12/psych-med...o4O7GWrL1Lk.99
I have read everything I can find on the topic in the past 10-12 years, and this is the pattern that is showing itself. Below are some articles you may find interesting.
Just a quick search showed these results. You may want to read a few of them, Markbo.
http://www.naturalnews.com/050149_ma...ych_drugs.html
http://www.cchrint.org/school-shooters/
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews...ion-for-murder
http://www.wnd.com/2012/12/psych-med...ool-shootings/
http://www.foodmatters.tv/articles-1...mass-shootings
http://www.westernjournalism.com/mas...d-gun-control/
These are just a random sampling, but look up the side-effects of some psych drugs, and you may be very surprised. I am not saying that everyone who takes psych meds is dangerous, and if anything it is a very small percentage, but it is a much higher percentage than the non-medicated portion of the population experiences. Think of all the commercials you see for various depression meds on your TV every single day... Thinking about them... Ever notice that every single one lists "Suicidal and Homicidal tendencies" as a side-effect that has shown itself in the trials leading up to the drug being approved? These shootings have also been getting more frequent in the decades since these drugs have been getting prescribed. You may want to do some reading.
Now lets have your opinion of just what my words say about me please? Because if you have information to back up your claim, I would love to be able to further educate myself and admit my mistake, IF I am wrong here, but based on reading everything I can find on the subject over the past 10-12 years, I haven't seen anything to prove me wrong yet. I would love to be though, so please prove me wrong.
Taking on a rifleman with a handgun is very, very dangerous business.
We had a crazy guy in a small town in Missouri, maybe 10 years ago start killing folks in
the town square with an AK. A young man was in his rented room with a 2nd floor window on
the square, saw and heard it and grabbed his 1911 and went down into the square
to engage him. He managed to save a couple of lives - at the cost of his own. Heroic guy,
but "ya'll be careful out there".
Too bad he didn't have a rifle handy, could have dropped him from the second floor
window, likely.
Bill
Lest we forget a certain Texas cop took on two riflemen and carried the day. He's no ordinary pistol marksman but he showed what could be done with the proper attitude and training. If I'm in that situation I'll have to wade in there with what I have and do the best I can, it's what I was trained to do. I don't carry a rifle, generally don't even one in the car so the choice of our carry guns has to take into account some pretty challenging scenarios.
Psych drugs have most certainly been a contributing factor for many mass shootings and other tragedies. OTOH they have all but put some types of mental hospitals out of business. At one time I transported "emergency commitment" violent mental health patients to a mental hospital a few counties away. That hospital no longer has an inpatient facility from what I've heard, thanks to psych drugs. Patients that were once confined to protect them and the public are now (for the most part) functioning members of society. A few have gone bad, very bad, with tragic results. I detest the "blame game" and refuse to play it here. The easiest (and least reasonable, IMHO) is guns. IF we can get past blaming guns we have a chance of stopping these folks from going off the deep end.
Lonegun, I stand corrected. It is simply very common for the public at large to not understand those suffering from depression or any mental illness for that matter and assume the worst. I clearly mistakenly grouped you with that bunch and for that apologize.
It's becoming the norm in our society, pumping people full of all kinds of meds. I teach public school and it seems half the kids nowadays are on some kind of med or other for ADHD etc. When I was growing up, I don't remember any kids being on these things and it seems like we didn't have these mass shootings. I swear, the medical community seems the worst enemy of American society nowadays, simply out there to sell pharmaceuticals and not really treat illness.
This guy's actions are truly heroic. There have been questions about whether he did right, but I believe in a life or death situation, if you have the means to do something to mitigate it, you are morally obligated to do so even if at great risk to yourself.
I know this Nam Vet that for the first few years he came back would every so often go off of his rocker and have to go to Army Hospital(Brooks General)for readjustment to civilian life.So far as far as I know he hasn't been back for several years now and I hope and pray that he is cured of his aliments.
No problem at all. I hope I didn't come across as saying that anyone with any kind of "mental disorder" is a threat, because I honestly believe that the vast majority do not, but as TXGunNut said, there used to be a portion of the population that was considered dangerous that was locked up to keep us and them safe, and that is no longer the case. And I for one can't stand the propaganda being pushed nowadays that is intended to take away my rights and yours and the excuse being used is that some unstable/insane/improperly medicated person did something that you and I had absolutely nothing to do with, but you and I will pay the price for if the politicians get their way--and they don't care if the price we pay is with our lives, our freedoms, or anything else they decide they want in a knee-jerk reaction.Quote:
Originally Posted by Markbo