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I have seen several threads in reference to breech seating. Here are some photos of different types of breech seaters.
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top is plugged case, then a push seater, toggle seater for CPA 32.40, toggle seater for Ruger #1 375 H&H.
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This shows breech seater before the bullet is seated
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Can't get this pics turned for some reason. This is the breech seater with the lever pushed forward to seat the bullet.
bob
Here's one made by Jerry Cleave for a Hepburn:
https://i.imgur.com/Ac0tiOIl.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/5YVyD6ml.jpg
This is one I make for my Ballard rifles. Designed to clear scopes:
https://i.imgur.com/kSpX7X6l.jpg
This one also for a Ballard, but made by a gentleman in Ca. back in the 70's or 80's?:
https://i.imgur.com/PXCaiU0l.jpg
My Pope Ballard came with 3 push seaters in the fitted case for the three barrels. .32-40, .28 Pope, and .22WCF. I'll have to get pictures of them to post. All three appear to be different makers. One appears to be an Ideal push seater.
marlinman93
Thanks for sharing the good pics of more breech seater.
bob
So is your pick handle and ideal type seater just a plugged case with a handle?
Or do the you place the bullet in the case mouth and the stem slides in the case to seat it once the case is in the chamber?
Does it really matter?
Thnx
stem slides in the case. Plugged case is the only one that is fixed.
bob
Thanks for post the pics.
My Ideal holds the base of the bullet, but not the whole length. Then once it's inserted into the chamber you push it and the seating rod moves the bullet forward, and eventually out of the case.
Push seaters aren't easy to use, as it takes a fair amount of pressure, even with tapered bullets designed to breech seat. Most guys I've seen using them keep a rubber mallet on the bench to assist with a push seater.
The mechanical seaters give huge leverage advantages, especially with a long handle. The Cleave Hepburn seater, and my Ballard shovel handle seater will seat a bullet with very little pressure on the handle.
PS-I'm working on another Ballard seater to seat tiny .25 caliber bullets for my #3 in .25 Stevens Rimfire. I will be using .27 caliber blanks for nail guns, and breech seating the bullets. If it works well I can finally shoot the heck out of this little gun, and not cost crazy prices for ammo! And I'll likely sell the last 6-7 boxes of Cannuck .25 Stevens RF I have left.
This is a video of a friend of mine's son shooting my Ballard with my breech seating tool.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vWGJ637mic
You mentioned that some use a rubber mallet to assist with the push seater. Had heard of this but never seen it done. The club that I shoot at where the fellas are using a push seater will follow that up with the plugged case to get uniform seating. I have so darn much stuff that I carry with me, I don't think I have room for a rubber mallet.
bob
The plug seater should have a fitted case as part of the seater, so not sure how following with a plugged case would do anything beyond checking the seating of the bullet.
I've seen a few guys using the rubber mallet to make seating easier during matches. I've tried using my push seaters when shooting, and it takes more effort than I like. I'd not consider a push seater for a match myself, as too much fatigue during a match. A mechanical is so much easier, and consistent. But if I only had a push seater, or a gun wasn't able to use a mechanical seater, I'd certainly keep a small rubber mallet at the bench to help seat bullets.