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I saw one of these little critters today in 308. hammer forged barrel, reasonable set of sights and a rib to mount a scope on, like new and cheap. Looks like a stoutly made no nonesense working rifle. It was pretty slim and light, it would have to bit with big loads! Anybody had anything to do with these?
I have not seen their rifles but I have an over/under 12ga from Baikal. Very tight lockup and shoots very well. Better quality the you would expect for the price. Mine was imported by EAA before Remington imported them under the Spartan name.
I got a single shot 410 from wal mart for a grand son . What a pice of JUNK
I picked up an O/U 410 for my daughter, so far it's been a great gun. Also before Spartan.
I have one in .308 Winchester. Mine shoots and looks great. No complaints. I've shot a good bit of cast in mine. My trigger is surprisingly good, a clean, crisp 3.75 lbs. My rifle will " cloverleaf " 3 cast bullets at 50 yards, I haven't had an opportunity to take it out to 100 yards yet, but I certainly plan to.
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My barrel is certainly " cast bullet friendly ."
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I have a Leu. 2 X 7 Variable Vari X II on mine. Look close in the photo below and you'll see the word........" Remington "
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They are funny looking bit of gear, but i like them, I've always been attracted to Russian stuff, real plain jane, but all the important stuff is right on the money. I had a Russian motor bike years ago and currently compete in bullseye style pistol matches with a Baikal M35 or whatever it is. Talk about accurate! With CCI low velocity el cheapo club rounds, I am shooting personal bests. I have 1500 left and when I get through these, the gun should be run in and throughly sorted and I'll reward it with some good quality target stuff. Getting back to the single shot, I think I'm gonna have to run with it, need it like a hole in the head, but they are $AU350 here, you can't buy a barrel for that. I will have to round off the forend though, it is plumb homely.
It would be a good rough country packpacking rifle, pack it away an dleave both hands free for climbing. I have a heap of spare scopes at the moment. an old 4xBushnell Banner with a post and cross hair would be the go.
It just occured to me that your scope is worth more than the rifle! :D
They made or still make a biathlon rifle in 22 lr that was second only to Aunschutz. Most summer Biathlon shooters using s new gun were using it the exceptions being sponsered by the military or others. I understand it was about 1/2 the cost of a new Aunschutz so it wasn't cheap but a good product. They didn't use Russian sights as I recall but don't recall what they had. Gianni.
I have one of the Russian Biathlon rifles in 22 lr.
Mine isn't for sale at any price ! ! !
BTW....that is a 1" square in the photo below, distance is 50 yards
Best to all of you,
Ben
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They sell a rifle here called the Ismach (I think that is the spelling). It has a plastic (again, that's what it looks like )covered 'bolt' handle. The 'bolt' is triangular shaped and runs up and down, allowing quick recocking with the fingertips. I have been eyeing one of these off as a spotlighting rifle. The combination of excellent accuracy, fast reloading and a solid, balanced rifle sounds good to me with a scope and spotlight mounted on top of everything! Offhand shots off the top of the vehicle at rabbits and foxes at 50-100 yards predominate. Now, if they made it in 22 magnum, we would be talking one seriously good sppotlighting rifle!
They sell for approximately $AU1000 (approx 780 odd yankee dollars), considering a base grade centrefire Ruger, weatherby vangard, etc sell here for 6-7 hundred aussie dollars, they aren't cheap, but the quality is obviously there. The local distributor is obviously screwing the price up as much as he can, because they are about $US380 ver there.
There is something about these no nononsense Russian guns that makes them attractive, sort of the same attraction old military rifles has.
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They've probably polished up their act a bit since they made my Toz 66 coach gun. I've had it twenty years or so. It is a mixture of good working-gun ideas, and pretty weird ones. An inch and a half of stock cast seems a lot for a side-by-side double - but I've seen an experienced trap shooter who'd never seen it before pick it up, call "pull" faced 180 degrees from the range, spin and powder the bird - despite being left-handed. Not a bad effort with an inch and a half of stock cast in the wrong direction, on a gun you'd never shouldered or properly looked at.
The good ideas it has include chrome-lined barrels and construction so tough you could use it to drive star pickets. The doubtful ones include checkering so bad it's beyond pitiful - why checker at all if you're going to louse it up? - and so much hammer tension that my wife can't cock either barrel. (If you drop the hammer on a used case once or twice, by then it will have bent the rim so far back the case will have to be thrown away). Also, the extractor mechanism is quite puny for such a tough gun - though it's never failed me.
It's heavy and ugly, but I'd bet on it making it there and back on a walking trip. Overall, it tries to be both a rudimentary field gun and a basic home defence one - and is sort of half useful for both. I wouldn't part with it. If it is anything to judge other Baikals by, I'd say you need to look at it fairly carefully because the designers may not have followed the standard book of how-to-do-it. Once it passes inspection though, it's likely to be a very honest hard-working firearm.
Here is an article on the Russian .22 rifle if you'd like to read more about it.
http://www.gunweek.com/2004/feature0801.html
Looks good.
I stopped by my friend's gun shop yesterday where I purchased my .308 Win. Baikal Single Shot.
He had six ( 6 ) of the single shots, ( I drew a colored bracket with my imaging software around the Remington, Baikal Single shots )
He had an 06', .223 Rem., .308 Win. 7.62 X 39
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Ben, too bad they don't offer those rifles in some single shot calibers. You know what I'm talking about. Big rims and bigger bullets. Heck if they ever came out with one in 30-30 I'd jump at a chance to buy one. Something about the 30-30 and single shot rifles. Seems like they just go together. Or maybe a 30-40 krag?. Frank
Heck if the rifle had of been in 3006, I would have walked out the door with it I might get him to order one in. Mick
Hello Frank, These are actually quite popular here, not because they are fancy or something, but they are relatively cheap platform for rebarreling. One guy here is having one rebarreled to... (did somebody mention about hard kick from .308Win Baikal?)... .50-110Win. Ouch.Quote:
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Does anyone know if the actions on these are strong enough to fill a 30.06 casing? I'm looking for a strong, inexpensive action I can load up a full caseload in 30.06 with a modern powder without being concerned about the strength of the steel.
Thanks,
Dave
I suppose the main market for these would be new shooters because of their cheapness, most if not nearly all of those guys shoot factory ammo. If there had of been a big problem, we would have heard about it by now. They look and feel sturdy as all get out, but that can be decieving. If there was any doubt about the strength of the action to hold 3006 power levels, I can't imagine a manafacturer marketing one, given today litagacious (is that a word? :D) society, Mick.
The Baikal is based on a shotgun action, so the breech strength is not at all comparable with a front-locking bolt rifle. In small-base cartridges like the 223 this is unlikely to matter - force is pressure times area - but as the cartridge base gets larger, the breech force increases in proportion to the square of the diameter. Consider the base area of a 12 gauge cartridge case with a shotgun breech pressure of about 15,000 psi, and you can calculate the breech force the action is designed for.
Dave, if you look at a picture of the Baikal from the side with the action open, I think you'll answer your own question pretty quickly.
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I always heard those Finns were tough! I guess this is a good example!
Finn45, haven't heard from you in awhile. Thought you must have been buried in the snow or out moose hunting. Yes if they would make them in 30-30 or 30-40 krag that would really be neat. Bet a bunch of guys on this board would buy some no problems whatsoever. Kinda small rail thinh they have for mounting scopes. Looks to work ok. Frank
Well I went and swapped my Model 70 for a huge rifle safe, the M17 Sporter and the Baikal single shot and 120 rounds of new Remington 180Gn Corelokts in 300Win Mag( to match the second hand, much carried, but little fired Remington 700 in 300WM that I bought as my new (old) Sambar rifle.
I'm pretty happy with the deal as the 70 didn't cost me much money and was only marginal for such a big animal.
The guy who owns the shop (he bought the rifle for himself) said that he would have to order another Baikal in as he bought that one for himself as well. I told him to go ahead and try and get a 3006 and I'd take that and leave him with the 308, which he prefers as he doesn't reload. He had a 7.62x39 as well, but someone had put a deposit on that one. That would be a nice little rifle.
The more I handle the rifle, the smaller it seems.
The Remington rep was in the shop and I asked him if they were going to import them under the remington name. He didn't say too much, but it occurs to me that Baikal have been on sale here under that name for a long while and maybe they can't get the rights to sell under the Remington name.
Whatever I end up with 308 or 3006, I'm looking forward to shooting it, that's for sure.
Mick.
Mick:
If you like your Baikal single shot as much as I like mine in .308 WIn, you'll be happy with your decision.
I think it is a lot of rifle for the $$$.
BTW, I paid $250 US dollars for mine in .308 W., how does the price that you're paying for yours " down under " compare with what I paid here ?
Ben
$AU350, about the cost of a garden varuety .22LR. The Handi Rifles sell for $AU430 odd here. As a cast boolit gun, I would probably have been better off with a 7.62 x 39, but I am well set up for the 308 and 3006. Mick.
I also lean more into direction of the 308 and 06'
Both are great cartridges in my opinion.
I live in AL and obviously don't have any kind of animal
( 2 legged or 4 ) that these 2 cartridges can't handle.
Good Shooting Mick,
Ben
Apat fom dangerous game where you need a bit of insurance, with premium bullets that are available, these will handle about anything
12 gauge shotgun breech pressure don't normally run 15,000 psi. H&R hinged actions are available in 25-06 and other calibers in the 61-63,000 psi range. The breech thrust of those cartridges is equivalent to a 12 gauge well over 15,000 psi. If they were not safe Remington would not sell them.
Boy, this is an old thread! I never did end up picking up the Baikal Single Shot, I can't remember now, must have ended up swapping it for something else. I still have the big safe and the M17 Sporter (turns out if has a 2 groove barrel and shoots ok). I have blasted off most of the 300WM ammo I also had a Ruger M77Mk2 in 300WM and ended up selling the Remington and am using the Ruger now.
I think the Baikal single shots are strong enough, they are overbuilt for a shotgun. My mate has one that is a 7.62x39, he is about to rechamber it to 303Brit. I heard of one guy in Sydney (a Russian of course) who hunts with one of these in 7.62x54 Russian. He drives down to the Victorian Alps, throws his backpack on with the rifle broken down, then heads into the hills on his dirtbike. He is a bit of a character apparently, but is pretty successful hunting the very elusive Sambar deer.
I picked up one of the plastic stock Bakals recently for $169 USD in 270 Winchester. It is nothing fancy, but does shoot really well. It's a very light rifle and will spank you good with full loads. Even the trigger pull on mine was acceptable for a hunting gun. I have no complaints so far and do plan to hunt it some this fall.
Bill
Maybe a limbsaver style pad and some fibreglass or similar in the forend with a bit of lead shot might tame it a bit.
Off the bench use a Lead Sled or a bag of lead shot between you and the rifle, hunting you will not notice the recoil. I haven't see any plastic stocked ones here yet. Cheap utility gun.
All too stiff to break for me. I do like the looks though.
Owen
These things like shotguns, need to be broken in, they will loosen up a little as they get used and bed in.Quote:
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Yes they do get smoother and easier to open with use. I sat in front of the tube and open and close mine for a while and it made a diff. Done the same with other single shot break opens I've had in past years.
Bill
I really like these single shots and have been looking for one in 7.62 x 39 for a while now.
I have a Crucgelli (or however it is spelt) 20Ga that I picked up recently, it is as stiff as and I've been working on it off and on for a months or so and have run four packets of shells through it. If there has been any improvement or loosening I can't pick it. Normally a shotgun or break action gun would be as slick as frogsnot by now.