~Primers for Small Arms Cartridges~ by Albert & Oelberg

"Primers for Small Arms Cartridges"
Formulas - Suggestions - Theory
for
Handloaders and Experimenters
by M.J. Albert & H.F. Oelberg
(c) March, 1944

This is the little self-published "book" of 35sum pages I got at an auction in Indiana in a box of gun books. I'm flabergasted at the information in this book. The manufacture of priming compounds for small arms due to shortages or restrictions from war time. As well, the manufacture of powder, both semi-smokeless and smokeless. Included are instructions for rehabing the primer cup and anvil, annealing the primer cup if necessary. Both corrosive and non-corrosive priming compounds are covered.

For example, in chapter 1 "Primers for Igniting High Pressure Rifle Powders in Small Arms Cartridges".

1- Federal Explosives license for purchase and use must be secured.
2- Barium Nitrate, two parts
3- Lead Nitrate, one part
4- Phosphorus, one part
5- Aluminum (powdered), one part

The chapter gives instruction for measuring using an empty .22 LR case, which equals "1 part". It give instruction as to mixing on a tinned lid (syrup lid, etc). There's about 2 pages for each of the different compounds and it seems to cover everything including testing...... a little bit hit with a hammer = explodes - is good.

Wet versus dry mixing are explained. Explosive versus heat detonation is explained. Test charts using .30-06 against Frankfort Arsenal GI ammo.

The next chapter uses a different formula:
1- Potassium Chlorate
2- Sulfur
3- Lead Nitrate
4- Antimony Sulfide
Says this one is "corrosive".

There are 5 different priming compound formulas listed. One is listed as "Senior Grade Mixture" not for beginners. Also has a chapter on making muzzle loader caps from scratch including the cup.

Priming compound measurements in the primer cup are gauged as 1/2, 5/8 or 3/4 full and explains using the different amounts for igniting powders for different applications.

Apparently there was a Volume 2 of this book with instruction on making the tools, punches, dies for making primer cups, home made reloading tools, etc etc.

One of the propellant formulas for semi-smokeless powder:
Listed as "laboratory batches":

Potassium Nitrate 3 grams
Lead Nitrate 3 grams
Barium Nitrate 2 grams
Liquid Glue .250 grams
Carbon (Willow charcoal) 1.250 grams

For "smokeless, flashless under load"":

Potassium Nitrate 2.1 grams
Ammonium Nitrate 7.14 grams
Willow Charcoal 2.10 grams
Lead Nitrate 1.720 grams

It shows a chart for a Gewehr 98 8x57 Mauser fired with a No.6 formula primer, 3/4 load, and using various home made powders and black powder to Du Pont 4320 and lists the bullet impact below point-of-aim to illustrate the relative power of the load.

I've never seen such an interesting explanation of primer manufacture, or powder manufacture. I did an internet search on these two authors and there are two references. Hard to believe. I have no interest in mixing priming compound but learned a lot just from reading it. Don't know what I'm going to do with this yet. If you have or know where Vol. 2 is I'd be interested.

In the forward of the book by the authors they made quite a statement about free enterprise and freedom. I don't know what the world was like in 1944 but today they'd probably be categorized in some despicable manner like a *patriot* for what they believe. They asked that the information in the book remain within the United States. If I end up offering this CD for sale (token amount) it would be US only to repect the wishes of the authors. For those of you in Canada, Oz or New Zealand know that I have zero bias towards you. My grandfather was English-Canadian soldier in 1916 in Toronto. I don't discriminate against cousins but I have to respect the author's wishes in order to keep my karma squeaky clean <yeah.. right!>.

These couple pages attached are typical. They look a little fuzzy on my monitor but on the CD they're sharp.

The copyright for the original work is expired.
The digitized version in PDF format belongs to:

"Dutchman"

(c)van den Brink 2008

Would be very interested in a CD if you do offer some!
Thanks Aaron

There was a somewhat similar, but much more amateurish, mimeographed booklet circulated during the Korean War primer shortages. It dealt mostly with reforming and re-assembling used primers, with match-head compound as the ignition source. I didn't get a chance to make a copy of the one a friend had; probably just as well.

A "Tweeker" down the road a few years back had a pipe nipple full of match-heads let go when he tried to pinch off the ends in a vise. Fingers all over the place! That straightened him out for sure; he cleaned up his act and is now a successful and respected local restauranteur. Sometime Darwin loses the bet!

Fg

I'd be interested in a copy of that CD also.

Another guy interested in a copy.
Some of those recipies seem to be similiar (IIRC) to the ones I used for 'rocket fuel' when I was in high school . Maybe that explains why so many of my rockets blew up !

[QUOTE=Dutchman;395255]" I don't know what the world was like in 1944 but today they'd probably be categorized in some despicable manner l
A lot less restrictions and most minded their own business!

thanks
Dutch

I have been looking for this book for over a year. As far as I can tell there is only one copy in a library, at Ft. Sill OK. Which i can't get via ILL. I already made most of the tooling to draw primer cups a while ago when I designed a gas-check maker for work. I just need to change some sizes, but the two are almost the same.

I also have a copy of hatcher's notebook which covers some of the "patent" priming mixtures in use at the time. Most of them are corrosive or require exotic explosives (tri-nitro-resorcinate). Typically, anything that uses potassium perchlorate is considered "corrosive" I would be willing to bet even something that uses potassium nitrate may be considered corrosive, but likely less so. Any time you end up with potassium chloride as a byproduct, you can bet it's going to be corrosive. As the chloride salt is hygroscopic, and will tend to draw water in to the barrel and let it rust.

I'll be e-mailing you shortly about getting a copy of this CD.

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Originally Posted by Dutchman

If you're interested in a copy of this CD see this offering in the Sellin' & Swappin' forum:

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/show...394#post396394

thanks
Dutch

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Does anyone know if this CD is available?

Thx
MCL198

I'd buy one too.

Mee tooo! (had to get enough letters to post) The link didn't come up.

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Dang !! Knock knock, nobody home.

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I would be intrested in one... if you still have some...

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http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2007smallar...usky_520pm.pdf

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Originally Posted by Dutchman

Paypal: swede1894@gmail.com
$15 delivered.
make sure to include full address and note as to what its for as I use Paypal for ebay as well.

I'll keep supplying this CD as long as there's interest. It keeps me in lunch money :).

Dutch

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Hey Dutch, I know this thread has not seen any activity for 2 years but if this CD is still available, I'd love to get one if you have the time.

Michael

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Originally Posted by glassparman

Hey Dutch, I know this thread has not seen any activity for 2 years but if this CD is still available, I'd love to get one if you have the time.

Michael

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Me also!

Me too!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I had pm's about this awhile ago and would still like a copy if possible.

Dutch, add my name to the list please.

Rick

Me too.

George

I'm interested in a copy as well if this is still an ongoing thing. Started in 2008 so hopefully it's still available.

I would like one too. Hope it is still available.

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Watchout guys, GONRA sez this kinda stuff is of "historical interest" only.
Love to hava copy for my reference stuff, but am not gonna beat my brains out to get one....

Watchout guys - GONRA sez this kinda stuff is of Historical Interest Only.
Would like to get a reference copy, but am not gonna beat my brains out to get one.

Dutchman – you hava done a great / valuable job in making this “Olde Historical Info” available to Fellow Gun Nuts.

GONRA sez its best treated as “just that” - “Olde Historical Info”.

We all realize you hava spentalotta time to get the CD out. If I wasn’t so olde (79, well beyond my “use by date”) and screwed up, would definitely purchase a CD for my primer files…
Others should USE EXTREME CAREin duplicating any of the recipes. Keep quantities Really Small. Etc. Remember, winter’s coming up - STATIC ELECTRICITY!

Thanks for providing this. I will contact you in a few days when I get home.

It's worth it guys! I've got a copy of the CD and it's where I got the recipe for the Frankford Arsenal H-48 recipe. It is a corrosive mixture but it is easy to make and very reliable. There are many more recipes to be found in this little book that Dutchman is providing. Learn as much as you can on the components that go into making making your ammo not just Boolits. It may come in handy someday if the powers-that-be decide that we are no longer need to have components.

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Dutch

That book is well worth the $15. These guys even tested these primers with what was then state of the art methods and likely at great expense to them.

This book also as a little bit on making our own full power powders and makes the book even a better deal.

I like history, I'm interested too.

Sorry, the reason I did it was because it is copyrighted and do you hold the copyright? I should have asked.

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Originally Posted by Dutchman

Very rude of you to steal my work and offer it free right in front of me.
Your momma didn't teach you any manners did she?

Being retired this paltry amount of money from my efforts affords me lunch out
about once a week. That's about all I can say without getting real impolite.

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This reformatted and digitized version of the original work is copyrighted under United States law, 2008.
Any formulas or information is for informational and educational purposes only.


Primers for Small Arms Cartridges
by M.J. Albert & H.F. Oelberg
first copyrighted in March, 1944


Reformatted and digitized by
D.L.van den Brink
Yreka, California
© 2008

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Yreka is the county seat of Siskiyou County California.

Traffer read his 2008 copyright at the bottom.

Well there it is. I am the guilty fool. Had not read it. I don't suppose apologies are much good at this point, but I sincerely and humbly apologize.

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Originally Posted by runfiverun

Traffer read his 2008 copyright at the bottom.

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Originally Posted by Traffer

Well there it is. I am the guilty fool. Had not read it. I don't suppose apologies are much good at this point, but I sincerely and humbly apologize.

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Over and done with. Move on and don't look back.

Dutch

p.s. apology accepted :drinks:

I am very grateful for your forgiveness sir. Moving on now.

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Originally Posted by Dutchman

Over and done with. Move on and don't look back.

Dutch

p.s. apology accepted :drinks:

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