God is good !

In the past week two different people have walked into my shop and said here for you and handed over a nice new/old mold. Now getting a new mold always is a simple pleasure especialy when there free. The first one was a Lyman double #358156BW. I think it was for the 38/44 outdoorsman as it has the double crimp groove and looks to be about 160gn. Well not too exciting but a good usable mold.
The second one is a bit more unusual. It is a Lyman single #366408. Hear that Deputy Al an old Lyman 9.3 mil - E - me - ter. I have never seen this one. Its shapped just like the old Lyman 250gn for the 38/55, in fact thats what I thought it was till I looked at the numbers. It has a thick base band then four narrower bands then a thick front band. There are 5 grease grooves and a crimp groove, but its a plain base.
It matters not that I have no rifle in 9.3 MM I just realy like acquiring out of print molds. Yes God is good, he gives us what we nead and sometimes the desires of our hearts too.
BIC/BS

Yes HE is.

Bullshop, when you get around to casting some of those 9.3 boolits, how about posting a picture of them. And please if at all possible give the unsized diameter. I have a swedish huskqvarna mauser in 9.3x57 and its begging to be shot with real boolits. Regards Frank

A board member sent me some samples of #366408 a while back, and they shot quite well for me using 18.0 x 2400 in the 9.3 x 62. The castings were .368" as cast.

Yes God is good .
He is also a caster and mold maker . some would say he is a clumsy caster though cause he keeps breaking the molds .

I bet that lyman 366408 is a very rare bird . i have seen that mold in a lyman catalog dated 1962 and they quit making those back when most had forgoten that the 9.3s exsited .

9.3mm molds are pretty rare critters--period.

Mountain Molds has them--and I like mine very much. The design was developed by "Eirik" on Accuratereloading.com--a poster from Scandinavia--an ogival flat point with 70% meplat, basically.

NEI shows a few designs as well. Again, I got some samples of a couple NEI designs from a poster here--soon after getting the CZ rifle. The 9.3 x 62 sure is a cast-friendly caliber, in my shallow but happy experience with this CZ rifle.

Bullshop--I'm not sure if anyone sells pre-cast 9.3 boolits in any number. This might be a niche you could explore commercially. There are a pretty decent number of 9.3mm shooters here in the States, and the red-coated pretenders aren't cheep by any means--even the Speers are getting kinda decadent to buy.

My Dad bought the mold probably 40 years ago for a Scottish 400/360 WR 2.75 NE double he had. He sold the rifle many years ago, and about 20 years ago I bought a Valmet double in 9.3x74R, so he gave me the mold.

The bullets shoot well with moderate charges of 2400 and 4759. I've never tried fillers (they scare me). In the past I sized to .366 in a Lyman sizer/lube machine. Recently I got a .368 size die, and intend to try Free checks.

I think I could be convinced to provide some samples.

CDD

IIRC there used to a be a 9mm Mauser round that was around .366, a bunch of English rounds of that caliber and quite heavily imported, and wasn't there some WW1 round that used a boolit around .366? Used to be the factory would load for ALL the guns out there, not just what "marketing" said was worth it. Hence, Lyman had moulds like this. But not anymore.....

there were quite a few 9.3s and 360 cals used till about WW2.
I know of the:
360 express
360 #2 nitro express
9.3x57 this is a neat one think of the ,358 winny ,50 years before the 358s time.
9.3x62. this is the most populer one .its starting to make a comeback think "36 whelen improved " thats a year older than the 30-06 ,ive got a few.
9.3x64 brenneke this one close to the 375 H&H balistick wise , but in a 06 length action
9.3x74 this is arimmed round that i would love to get my hands on in a fine pre-war single shot rifle (dream on kid)

I would be willing to bet that our scandanavian freinds have a bounch of these lyman molds as they are the ones who like the 9.3s the most (dont blame em) i do know that there is a lot of differant 9.3s running around out there.

Cartridges of the World shows 9 X 63 with a .357" bullet diameter, (wonder where our .35 whelen came from?) and 9 X 70R Mauser also .357". John Taylor, in African Rifles and Cartridges, mentions the 9mm Mauser and Mannlicher rifles as using .355" bullets. Taylor was not as enthusiastic over these 9mm's as he was about the 9.3 X 62.

I ran some from the new/old mold yesterday. In straight WW they dropped at .3685 and 253gn. Looks like Lyman kept sharpening the cherry for the 38/250 till it became metric.
BIC/BS

Isn't this design sort of a Loverin-inspired critter? Tapered round nose, smaller shallow grooves? Memory isn't the most reliable aspect of my existence, for sure. This one did shoot very well from the CZ. I generally prefer gas-checked designs for most rifle work, but these gave no leading during my short experience with them. This has been stated in other threads, but as a matter of general information the 9.3mm boolits with gas check shanks use .375" GC's.

There are two very distinct characters to the 9.3 x 62 caliber in my rifle, as is true with most post-1900 "high-powered" rifle calibers--one comes from their full-value jacketed bullet aspect, the other from their decelerated cast boolit capabilities. NO DOUBT that a 286 grain Nosler Partition at 2400 FPS will collect large game animals if the operator does his part, and can do fine work with cast boolits on deer-sized game using what I call "38-55" load intensities.

This second facet of the caliber will get more of my attention this coming year, after spending a good deal of time with the NosParts in 2005. Them critters SHOOT--so that's a lock. Not cheap--but all things excellent are both rare and difficult. Now--to get the castings REALLY working, and see what velocity limits can be reached with accuracy. I have what I think is a pretty good hunting load with estimated 1700 FPS imparted to the MM 270 grainer--23.0 x 2400/dacron. The better scope now atop the rifle should help sort things out.

Al;
I am shooting the Lyman 358314, a 214gr with gas check and lube , rn .
I am using it sized .359 in an H&R Ultra ss, with LBT soft blue lube.
I am getting 2380 fps with good accuracy. under 1" at 50 yds with IMR4198, 40gr and with Rel7, 45gr.
These are comfortable shooting loads.
I also did BLC-2, 58gr and 2360fps.
I shoot 3 through the chrono, average and round to nearest 10 fps, just cannot believe a chrono is accurate to the foot.

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Originally Posted by Frank46

Bullshop, when you get around to casting some of those 9.3 boolits, how about posting a picture of them. And please if at all possible give the unsized diameter. I have a swedish huskqvarna mauser in 9.3x57 and its begging to be shot with real boolits. Regards Frank

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In Straight WW it is .3685" - 253 grains
here is a picture.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...p/709e31ad.jpg

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Originally Posted by Tpr. Bret

IIRC there used to a be a 9mm Mauser round that was around .366, a bunch of English rounds of that caliber and quite heavily imported, and wasn't there some WW1 round that used a boolit around .366? Used to be the factory would load for ALL the guns out there, not just what "marketing" said was worth it. Hence, Lyman had moulds like this. But not anymore.....

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http://www.neihandtools.com/catalog/366-260-gc-dd.jpg
http://www.neihandtools.com/catalog/366-304-gc.jpg

Wills
I have the NEI #174. It come's in at 285gn in WW. I orderd it with the DD ring but the new management forgot to cut the ring. I didnt want to send it back so have it as you have pictured. I have used it in my 35 Whelen imp but had to size it down on both the body and nose. .360" body and .351" nose worked but too much trouble when I have so many correct for caliber. The 9.3 was to fill a custom order but I just had to try it and the Whelen is the closest thing I have to a real 9.3mm
BIC/BS

Yep--them's the critters I shot from the CZ a while back. Kind of a plain-base Loverin.

Bullshop, thanks for the picture of the lyman 9.3 boolits. They sure look nice. My eyes ain't what they used to be but it looks like a plain based boolit. Again thanks. Frank

Just picked up a cape gun with a 9.3 bore. Does anyone happen to have components to load 9.3x57R ? That is my best guess. Chamber is slightley longer than 38-55 which chambers just fine but is .10 too wide a projectile, and 9.3x72R is about a half inch too long....

Holy necro posts! This thread is almost 5 years old:holysheep

Hello groovy mike
PLEASE slug the bore and cast the chamber, PLEASE
The loading for the 9.3x57R will be a piece of cake.
Take a 444 Marlin case and size it in an 8mm Mauser sizing die.
Then expand the neck to hold a .366 bullet.
Presto, that should be what you need

OR buy these JR ammo, pull the bullets and send them to me and expand
the necks to 366

http://www.natchezss.com/ammo.cfm?co...&type=0&mfg=ZY

Mike

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Originally Posted by groovy mike

Just picked up a cape gun with a 9.3 bore. Does anyone happen to have components to load 9.3x57R ? That is my best guess. Chamber is slightley longer than 38-55 which chambers just fine but is .10 too wide a projectile, and 9.3x72R is about a half inch too long....

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You could just expand 8x57R, correct?

Hello
You COULD if you really knew it is a 9.5 x 57R, chamber cast is the key
Mike

Yes God is good, he gives us what we nead and sometimes the desires of our hearts too.
BIC/BS[/QUOTE]

amen, bro., amen

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Originally Posted by NuJudge

My Dad bought the mold probably 40 years ago for a Scottish 400/360 WR 2.75 NE double he had. He sold the rifle many years ago, and about 20 years ago I bought a Valmet double in 9.3x74R, so he gave me the mold.

The bullets shoot well with moderate charges of 2400 and 4759. I've never tried fillers (they scare me). In the past I sized to .366 in a Lyman sizer/lube machine. Recently I got a .368 size die, and intend to try Free checks.

I think I could be convinced to provide some samples.

CDD

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Getting out the mining equipment, digging up an ANCIENT thread, buddy is considering buying a 400/360, the .366" dia. version(there are several).

Anybody load for this?

Any loads that work for you?

Already have a NOE mold for the 9.3x74r so I'm set on the mold, just looking for a start place.

I’ve loaded for the 400/360 a bit but would have to look up what I used.
Should be OK with low end 9.3x74 loads as a start and working up for regulation assuming it’s a double you’re talking about.

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Originally Posted by Huvius

I’ve loaded for the 400/360 a bit but would have to look up what I used.
Should be OK with low end 9.3x74 loads as a start and working up for regulation assuming it’s a double you’re talking about.

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It's a double, haven't heard if the buddy and the seller came to a meeting of the minds or not, already load cast in the 9.3x74r so I already have loads for that. Hopefully I'll get as lucky with this as the 8x50r I fooled with several years ago. First load put both barrels into 1-1/2" at 25 yards with 4 rounds from each barrel and two shooters splitting the shooting. For old guys with not the best eye sight that's pretty good and they weren't crossing yet. At that point we just backed up and started whacking the dinger for all it was worth.

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This is what happens when you let old guys out un-supervised.

The hole through the back was a cast 416 Rigby, jacket bullets kind of plasma cut their way through the old oxygen tanks.

The BIG cast elephant caliber stuff fractures and tears chunks off the dingers.

Got 8 400/360's loaded up this afternoon, hope to try them tomorrow. They're for a British double that is absolutely stunning. Used 5744 under the NOE boolit I use in the 9.3x74R.

Rounds didn't chamber, rattled in just like doubles do. ( What a lovely sound!). Tried closing the breech. Almost, but not just completely closed. When I loaded them, I left them a little long, my boolit is a blunter profile and the full sized diameter of the boolit is out side of the case. Guess I'm going to have to fully seat them into the case.

Rifles belongs to a buddy who lives a dozen miles away, haul the loads home and re-seat the boolits and try again. Probably today after the honey do's and the stuff I need to do to get the family farm ready for sale. My mother passed away this summer and the three sisters want their money. NOW.


And I'm NOT going fo do a pound cast on the throat. This rifle costs more than my truck and I don't need my buddy stroking out when I even suggest whacking on his rifle.

Repair parts for this rifle simply don't exist and paying a competent doubles rifle gunsmith to make parts is out of my price range if I screw something up. And at times I have the ability to screw up a free lunch[smilie=b:

"And I'm NOT going fo do a pound cast on the throat."

Good for you. Many times too much of a "good thing" is done and recommended on forums. I prefer to do a cast with cerrosafe or paraffin wax. either tells me what I need to know. Many times with some rifles I just make do with what I have about like you are. Keep us posted?

15meter, do your sized empties chamber?
Just to throw another variable into loading the 400/360, there are two different rim thicknesses.
The Purdey version had a thin rim. Other cases will not chamber in the ones for the thin rims.

Also, a simple chamber/throat cast can be done with a little spray of lube (Pam cooking spray works) in the barrel and a hot glue gun.
A bit soft to get precise measurements but still useful to see what you're dealing with.

First step was seat boolits deeper, still not chambering. Pulled decapping stem from f/l sizer. Case in until resistance than two bumps on the handle to get the neck started in. Back out and chamber perfectly.

Apparently this rifle has a very tight throat. Just couldn't get the last 1/8" of the case down small enough with the seater die even though it had a visible roll crimp.

Film tomorrow of the first 2 rounds blowing up milk jugs quite nicely if I can get the video to upload.

KABOOM!

And this is the Purdey version and I'm using Purdey marked Kynoch cases.

The reason for not coming close to this rifle with implements of mass destruction:

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A little gun porn to go with your morning coffee.

And not sure I can figure out how to upload the video, bummer, milk jugs dying a spectacular death is worth it.

When I first posted the photo's they appeared just fine, went back in 4 hours later and would not display. Deleted and reloaded, hope they show up now.

I wish you would post a picture of the rifle, would love to see it!