Was wondering what people are using for this mold? I have read that it was used with 20-1or 16-1. I was going to use 50/50 ww and pure lead. I plan on keeping velocity to 1300 to 1500 in a 1886 26in barrel.
Thanks Scott
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Was wondering what people are using for this mold? I have read that it was used with 20-1or 16-1. I was going to use 50/50 ww and pure lead. I plan on keeping velocity to 1300 to 1500 in a 1886 26in barrel.
Thanks Scott
Your 50-50 alloy will work just fine at the velocities you stated.
I shoot pure lead at 1300 fps. Works fine.
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I know water is a very hard medium, but I recently tried air cooled 50/50 into water at 1,300 fps, and the boolit pretty well disintegrated. I plan on trying it with wet pack before changing the alloy, but the blow up was not at all what I was expecting.
we use pure to make varmint bullets.
kind of backwards from the malleability thing you'd expect.
if you got pure to mix with the ww's I'd test some 30-1.
I've used near pure at 1600, that was too fast for my taste. Bumped it to 50 50 ww to pure-ish and was better, probably about great, but kinda brutal in the little rifle with its steel butplate. Now back to near pure and 1350ish, no deer volunteer yet. That is near to the original design parameters, as best I remember, so I expect the historically consistent performance!
I am curious if anyone has reduced the depth of HP, and board it work on "supper"?
I doubt you will have any trouble with that comboQuote:
Originally Posted by sac
enjoy the backstraps
When I got my first Marlin 1895, the first one to hit Austin, Texas in the early 70s, I also bought an early bevel base mould for the Lyman 457122HP. About the same time, I ran into a fellow in the gunshop parking lot who had a pickup bed load of linotype pigs, which I glommed onto.
Lemme tell you, a lino 457122 with that long, deep HP, is an explosive varmint slug. A jackrabbit would be opened up and laid out flat like a "development" drawing. That metal is relatively brittle and just shattered upon impact. The boolits were bright, shining examples of the casting arts.
A 16-1 alloy will do quite well for deer with the Gould bullet at 1300 - 1500 fps. It's what I use in my magnum handgun huntiing HPs at 1350 to 1450 fps (357, 41 and 44 magnums). Also what I cast my .50 maxi-balls for my TC Blk Mtn Magnum at 1575 fps and my own 45-70 HP hunting load for my OM trapdoor. I use a 458483 GC HP'd sililar to the Gould.
Thanks, I've had a little set back getting my mold, but when I get it I'll try 50/50 and 16-1.
The second deer I ever killed with a cast bullet was done in with a Gould 330 HP . It was in a Marlin 1895CB back about 2002 with a tang sight . My alloy was straight wheel weights air cooled . Sized at .459 lubed with SPG and pushed with 31.5 grains of SR4759 . I was about 20 feet off the ground in a tree stand , plunked the deer at 21 yards from the base of the tree . At the boom of the gun it was if the carpet had been pulled from under the deer and that's where he stayed . He was a large bodied 6 point I would say of 3 1/2 or 4 1/2 years . one entrance wound and two exit wounds .
A friend of mine uses the same bullet in his Pedersoli Sharps , I worked up the load for him with XMP5744 and again straight air cooled WW's . He plunked a couple deer one year at about 125 and 175 yards . One was boom flop the other was boom tip tip tip flop .
I'm waiting for someone to make this boolit in a GC mold
I would buy even a single cavity 460122HP in gas check design. My old Ideal has a neat bevel base, which makes use of plain base checks unwise.
Now what was the boolit designed for ? Not targets and not Brown Bears I reckon.
"Note that John Barlow designed these bullets for rifle cartridges, specifically black powder rifle cartridges, and therein lies the secret to the soul of the cast HP. Generally speaking, these cartridges were loaded with BP to muzzle velocities of 1100-1600 fps (most commonly in the range of 1200-1400 fps), and this is why the cast HP’s worked so well and were so well received by the hunters of the day (men like Col. Pickett and A. C. Gould) -- the guns that they were initially developed for did not over-stress them. Thus, the cast HP delivered excellent expansion and deadly performance on deer, black bear and elk."
Back then they were called "Express" cartridges ..... lighter bullets are higher velocity.
Have use a few 458122hp on deer out of my 450Marlin bolt gun. Cast from Lyman#2 and driven to 2000fps. The deer just flop over! I found that I needed a GC so I put one upside down in the top of the case and used the bullet to seat it. The case tension keep it tight to the bullet base. Like the old Lyman slip on GC best but any will work.
With the hollow point and smallish loob grooves pure lead will need some tin to help fill out and make nice sharp corners and an even mouth around the hollow point. WW alloy will provide tin. If you stop adding right when the mould fills out nicely you will have soft alloy for upset and expansion at 1200 fps or so. If you add more ww alloy your boolits will be more capable of higher velocities. But your expansion will taper off as your alloy hardens to brittle at the extreme. If distances are short enough to make iron sighting practical then 1200 fps or maybe a little more would be my preference. The 1886 was built when only black powder was available and these are the velocities it was designed around. Now if you want to second guess John Moses Browning go right ahead. But????
Scott, have you gotten your mold yet?Quote:
Originally Posted by sac
yes I did, stated casting with it last night. Hopefully I will start testing next week. I bought the wife a marlin in 45 colt so ive been casting some softer rcbs 45-270 saa for that as well.
I should have started earlier, but I built a ground blind.
Sounds good. Keep us posted on your progress, wishing you both the best of luck in Iowa's new rifle season.
Ok can someone tell me why the Lyman Manuals differ so much?
I have a #3 and a 50th. The 3rd shows TD starting at 29gr and max at 37gr. Of 3031. 50th shows starting 43gr max 47.5 of 3031.
With my 20-1 my boolits are coming out at 339-340gr. After sized and lube. My OAL is 2.535 at what I would assume would be the crimp groove bellow the front driving band and I see both books list OAL at 2.550. So I loaded 3 rounds at 42gr. Thought it would be a good starting point between both books. I didn't chrono, I shot them at a plate I have of the back deck at 40yards just see what the primers and cases looked. I'm getting flat primers and a dimple from the ejector, extraction was easy.
What is everyone's OAL with this bullet?
Rifle is a Miroku 1886, brass is Remington trimmed to 2.090. Federal std. Rifle primers.
Scott, Any Luck?
Only with my bow. Wife and I went out second season and didn't see anything. I didn't hear any shooting around me either.
How about you?
Use the Gould at 30-1 or 50/50 ACWW and lead sheeting. 38 grains of 3031 is the load, and this combination is absolute death on deer and elk in a 45-70. You'll thank me later.
I think they need to shorten bow season, and give gun season longer.
Better luck next year with your rifle, at least you did some good with your bow. Never had much luck getting acceptable accuracy out of this boolit, may need to revisit.
I didn't make it out, laid up with a bad back. The neighbors son shot a very nice buck with a Marlin 45/70 using cast. The Marlin was his grandfathers and the cast bullets were cast by his grand dad. I think he passed away about 10 years ago so his bullets are going to good use. The young man loves to shoot and is on the High School trap team, last year he fired 7500 12 ga rounds. One shot from the 45/70 and he dropped straight down he said.Quote:
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I saw several nice bucks on our place this year. We had one that I spotted by the garden at first glimmer of dawn. Had to wait about 30 minutes to fully make him out. I set up the spotting scope on him about 55 to 60 yards from the house out the back door. Both the wife and I checked him over for body features, neck, face, and horns. He would have made the record books. After about an hour he bedded down there and stayed there for about 4 hours. It was fun to watch him doze off and his nose would hit the ground and wake him up. I don't shoot those kind those are the kind we want breeding the does. Saw lots of little 4, 6, and 8 pointers trying to pollute the gene pool. Some of them were really beat up from fighting. None of them were more than 80 yards from the house. My B-I- L took one in his timber with bow that scored 180 something. My cousins wife took 2 bucks in their timber one with bow and one with the Encore 20ga. She's almost 70 and I don't think she could tip the scale past 100 Lbs soaking wet with her pockets full.
I've found 20-1 a bit soft to maintain accuracy when ratcheting up the velocity - which is what those lighter-for-caliber Express bullets originally were all about. 16-1 was pretty common for that back in the day; I wouldn't hesitate to use straight WW now.