I have owned and hunted with Ithacas and Win M-12. When I took up trap shooting, I bought a Rem 870TC. Later I bought a 26" skeet barrel to put on it. After about 20,000 skeet and trap loads, I can load, shoot and pump an 870 in my sleep. For hunting I use the 870 field grade that my father won in a duck calling contest in the late 50s. I put a cutts compensator on the barrel and use if for ducks and upland. When I wear out both my 870s, I will find a used one.