good luck with that. ive mentioned that many times on this site, but everybody seems to think what they want/like is the only choice.
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This is why there’s no gun “community”. It’s a bunch of small sects and all they care about is keeping what they like. They will gladly throw others under the bus to keep theirs.
If we all liked the same thing the world would be a boring place. So accept the fact that people have different tastes. Who knows, they may show you something you’ve never seen and you may end up buying one.
OP would not like me at all. I have SIX 6.5 caliber rifles. Oops forgot the Grendel, make that SEVEN !
if we all knew the same and agreed on everything this forum would not exist and if you don't want to here someone elses opinion you have the option of not posting your own.
There's a tendency for some to look at their own conditions and situations and present them as a universal. My deer hunting is not the same as in the South for instance. Often I have snow on the ground and colder temps. The deer are larger. A large buck will go over 200 pounds. Also we are individuals. I do not like to use heavier rifles. I had a 270 with a 22" barrel and got rid of the thing. At that time I could have loaded it down and should have but a larger cased cartridge still takes more powder for the same performance. I also only hunt deer so I do not need a Western Elk rifle. Many shoot a rifle with less recoil better. My daughter shoots full bore loads out of her 300 Savage and gets deer. I prefer the 6.5CM. My brother in law has killed a pile of deer with his sporterized 6.5 Swede. He ahs always liked it over the 308. Is it personal, heck yes. Another rifle I enjoy getting gout once in a while is my 8mm Mauser, mostly because I worked it over. My old 303 Brit has been with me as it is my first deer rifle. Caliber don't always mean a lot.
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Yep, you got it. Interestingly, my one shot kill % with mild cartridges such as the .30-30 and .257 Bob is almost perfect!
For me living in the south, the 6.5 Grendel is my preferred hunting rifle. No real long distance needed in the southern pines and is a all around good choice. Weight, recoil, velocity and BC. Ammo on the other hand is a different story. Even brass for reloading is a little hard to come by.
to me the Grendel makes a lot more sense. It can be put in much lighter ar15s and still has the power of the rounds I consider good 200-250 yard deer guns. Only thing that keeps me from building one is just what you said. brass. If there was somewhere selling a 1000 once fired Grendel brass or a 100 bucks id be on it in a second. If I am going with a bolt gun might as well make it a 260 or even a 270. If recoils really an issue and not just a complaint to justify your opinion then a 243 has been killing deer longer then most of us here have been alive. Ive got ars in 9mm 556 50 beo 300 bo and an ar10 308 but if I look at hunting as the main criteria the 6.5 Grendel is probably the round today that makes the most sense. 6.8 and 300 rem too but brass and ammo is even harder to find for them. I still might build one but not until I at least have found a 1000 rounds of brass somewhere
The 6.5 I had was a 6.5-284 norma that I used for F class and long range. The difference between the norma and winchester was that the norma chamber reamer was ground so that certain brands of brass would fit tighter in the chamber. I only shot the heavies in it because there ballistic coefficients are so high. To match the ballistics in a 30 call I think you'd have to shoot 200 grainers in a 300 mag. That's a lot of recoil for a day of competition lol.
A 150 grain 30 cal bullet just doesn't have as much sectional density as a 140 grain 6.5 bullet and that might be part of the reason for the 6.5 craze. If I had a 270 I wouldn't buy a Creedmore unless I just simply wanted one. But if it gets people in the stores buying stuff then it's all good.
I did solve my 358 win puzzle. I went to a couple gun shows and called a few shops and found only one cheap short action rifle but the muzzle diameter was too small for JES to rebore. One place had a Ruger Hawkeye that was almost new in the box. So I guess I missed the savage rebarrel bus for now anyways.
One gun show had an old 5 lb. can of 3031 for a 100 dollars. And one of 4579, didn't mess with them. I'm starting to think I should've at least tried to make a offer.
My best friend is a prime example of the average shooter and hunter. He isn't a cartridge nerd or rifle hoarder and seldom reloads. A cartridge that cannot be easily found in factory ammo is not going to do him any favors. Nor does he have any interest in piecing together a one of a kind rifle that never before existed. He likes Remington 700's and he likes a cartridge with mild recoil that makes deer and similar game go dead. His 700 in .243 is just perfect for him, and he is plannng to add a .308 at some point. He finds my cartridge and rifle nerdery to be entertaining and informative, but we both know he is never going to join me in the deep end.
If today he was just starting out and shopping for his first hunting rifle I would probably steer him towards a 6.5 Creedmoor. Same recoil and accuracy as a .243 with a heavier bullet, and so probably a more effective choice for deer size game. At the same time, he would not be gaining much if he went to the trouble of trading the .243 for a new 6.5, so unless he suddenly fell in love with the cartridge I don't see that happening.
except the creedmoor can be shot out of an AR platform rifle. :smile:Quote:
The Creedmoor offers him nothing over the old boring .270.
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you were saying.
I got rid of my 260 Rem and replaced it with a Howa 6.5 Grendel. It weighs just a little more than a walking stick, will reliably kill anything in this neck of the woods reliably, and I'm not likely to take a shot over 300 yards, with most being under a hundred. When I want to get my kicks I have a 375 H&H , or the Encore in 500 S&W that will really get your attention with hot heavy loads!
yup if you want to haul around a gun that weights 2 or 3 more lbs then a short action bolt gun. My 16 inch ar10 dpms 308with a 1x4 leupold goes just over 11lbs. My 20 inch model 7 308 scoped goes a tick over 7 with a 2x7 leupold and my 22 in 308 Kimber montana goes a tick over 6 with a 2x7 leupold. one deer season hauling that ar10 around with me all day was enough for me. Now a Grendel at about 7 would be pleasure to hunt with. Say that weight doent matter and nothing trumps how far out you can kill a deer. Get yourself a Barrnett. then we at least cant argue if its a better long range gun then a 308:groner:
Personally, I have gotten to an age that a light rifle is paramount. The caliber is secondary, as most anything from 222rem to 4570 is legal and I can and have taken deer with it. I like hunting with old rifles, and put up with weight for that pleasure. As far as 6.5, well I have always liked 250savage and efficient things, but I got lots of 30cal molds! Ain’t no way I’m dragging an AR around in the woods, too heavy and to awarkard. For those that they work for I am happy. Seems the “fits in an AR” is a driving force in current cartridge marketing, along with the long range hunting fantasy. I wish a buddy would buy a 6.5 so I could play with it;)
I only target shoot up to a 1/4 mile and my 22-250,.243,.250 Sav, & 25-06 all reach that far quite well so I don't need the 6.5 to spend money on. I like lightweight rifles too. My heaviest rifle is a 8# bolt action 30-30. Having said all that, if I just had one rifle a lightweight 6.5 Creedmoor would be fine where I hunt.
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I shoot two 6.5 guns. a Swede and a 264 win mag. I keep telling myself I don't need a Creedmoor. But I told myself I would never own a 7 mag. and now I have one. I don't like 270s but I own two, a 270 win and a 270 Weatherby. I didn't need a 300 H&H but now I have two! Guns are my hobby and I can't say that there will never be a day when I don't/won't own a Creedmoor. If I was in a tite for money, the 6.5 cm would be well down the list of got to haves. In my youth I express my feeling about what I felt was right and wrong in the firearms world but I have moved into the world of "Live and Let live". (If I lived closer to a Cabela's or BP I would probably already own a 6.5CM as they have had a couple good sales on Rem and Savage of late.) Buy what you like! Just because we disagree doesn't make any of us wrong. Just different!
Ya that makes me think too. Seems like the big bang is already fading and the talk of the military adopting it has kind of faded and most comp shooters have gone to the 6mm version. It is a decent whitetail round and if the right price tag was on one I might actually consider one too.Quote:
(If I lived closer to a Cabela's or BP I would probably already own a 6.5CM as they have had a couple good sales on Rem and Savage of late.) Buy what you like! Just because we disagree doesn't make any of us wrong. Just different!