I'm still waiting for you to post your 20 yd targets, shot standing with no rest, to show your boolits' advantage over my PC ones. Heck I was using a Glock (Gasp!!) with a 5 lb trigger (double gasp!!) during load development (triple gasp!!).
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I'm still waiting for you to post your 20 yd targets, shot standing with no rest, to show your boolits' advantage over my PC ones. Heck I was using a Glock (Gasp!!) with a 5 lb trigger (double gasp!!) during load development (triple gasp!!).
That's in rock range. Why waste a boolit ? Move it on out to a couple or three hundred yrd's ! I shoot no less than 100 with my 7X30 Contender's. Attachment 142132
LOL 20 yrd's LOL
Sorry.. Guess I'm stiring the pot again.
Stirring the pot or fishing seems like a little of both I think you have voice your thoughts on the matter and others have voiced theirs. No one is here to convince anyone to start PC bullets or how to PC them. If you see no need in doing so really no need to say much on the topic. Some have different reasons for coating others just like to play around with new ways of doing something. The point of talking about what they are finding is to fine tune the process.
My whole point of the post was the humor of wasting time. If you don't want dirty fingers buy factory. Too many stated lack of accuracy. Why do we do this ? Accuracy ! I really don't care what you or anyone else does. But if I laugh don't get pi$$ ed ! lol
If you have a better way, show me the beef.
Oh I understand your point of the post was to let everyone know your laughing at them for wasting time. As far as showing you a better way all anyone can do is show what they are doing and if its better for you then there you go. Pissed is not in the word filter so using $ is not needed.
I would like to try pc-
can any one connect me with Someone on here that sells powder?
I think his handle is Smoke -
thanks
Willoughby look in the vendor section and in the selling area he did have a post near the front last time I looked there. Smokes powder has been reported to be a better powder then harbor freights and may save you some headaches. I have used harbors powder and others and found harbor to be on the lower end of the scale for me which all I do is spray mine.
Smoke's powders:
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/show...raying-bullets
Some people spend time here posting too..... I like all sorts of things... casting, painting bullets to find that didn't work, to pc... which did... gas checks bullets for a muzzleloader... (what?????)... felt wads over powder for a patched ball... pillar bedding... what colossal wastes of time.... but it is my time... and I don't have to get it back because it is I who spent it.... point of my post is..... as RP suggests.... and Burger King brags... we do it our way.... :cool:
Remove oil from boolits after sizing? I dont have any lube on my boolits when i run em through the lee sizers. No leading in my dies at all. Most of the time i only size em after i pc them. Some molds throw on the large side so i just run em through dry and then pc. Fwiw, i have never owned a lube sizer. When i was looking for a lubesizer, a fellow member invited me to his home and taught me how to pc. I went home with several handfulls of boolits to try out. Once in a blue moon i mat tl a few .38's for low velocity stuff but pc is it for me. Clean, no smoke, lead hardness is not as important and my daughters like the colors. My loads are quite accurate with pc so i have no regrets from forgoing the lubesizer. Ymmv
Oil.......OIL????????? We don't need no stinking OIL!
There should be NO lube used at all when sizing PC'd boolits. You just do not need it. Unless you are foolish enough to try and size...er swage......many thousandths of an inch! That is another story totally for another day.....not sizing PC'd boolits.
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So...you shoot your Glock at 300 yards? I'm sorry but you're comparing apples and oranges here. A contender in 7x30 is basically a rifle. I assume that group was shoot from a rest, using magnification. That's hardly what was asked of you to provide.
20 yards is a fair distance to shoot something like a Glock, unless of course you're some sort of Internet Commando. I will say that the most accurate load in 9mm I've put together so far has been my PC boolits over Unique. I hate how it meters but the ammo I produce with it is just so dang accurate in my gun that I'll continue to use it (and it easily meets power factor requirements for IDPA, added bonus).
I think the point has been made keeping this going is not helpful. I let it run to prove a point and its been proven keeping it going really benefits no one and that's what the site was started for helping others improve and to learn how to.
I'll give you five reasons I like to PC, reasons that resonate for me:
1. I have had, on occasion, so much lube smoke shooting 9mm that the only way to solve the problem was PC. Hard to shoot well for time when the smoke completely obscures the target.
2. I like learning new things.
3. PC boolits are cleaner.
4. This is a hobby for me--and thus having THE most efficient use of time is not important to me.
5. The colors are cool. Great conversation starters.
YMMV. I like it. You may not, or may not derive the inherent pleasure I get from reloading, casting, PC'ing, and so on. The mastery of a skillset is appealing to me, the sense of accomplishment fulfilling. Others, maybe not so much.
Shooting pc & ht , you should give a try in your pistol rnds. Whole shop and arms clean. I do PBGC's too, man, l open both eyes and shoot and my shooting improved like nite and day. Iam gonna improve, buy a spray gun and smokes powders soon. I sold my star's.
You never know when the next breakthrough advancement happens. It's members like these on this forum that keeps me coming back to find out new information not found anywhere else. Just look at all the experimentation that goes on here, then freely shared to all that only need to take the time to read about it. It overshadows the negative remarks made by a few, but even those few negatives is what fuels the fire to push those even farther in a positive manner.
Dang proud to be a member of the "Cast Boolit Society".
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I too was reluctant to try PC. I thought it was just another fad,,-- like the molly-coat craze. Yeah, I bit on that one too. I still have the molly, SOMETIME that stuff will come in handy.
I resisted the PC process until someone came up with the tumble coat method. I couldn't justify or afford a compressor and have very little room for a spray booth. Once I tried the tumble method with some HF red, I was hooked! Logic plays a huge roll in my life, it's simply logical that a tough slippery coating on the surface of a lead boolit will work IF it will stick to it and stay on it. Smash tests and PC still clinging to recovered/fired boolits prove that it DOES stay put.
As for accuracy, have you ever had your first try with a totally new bullet/boolit work/result in great groups? A lot of people simply ran some loads with the same powder charges that worked with greasy boolits, then said PC doesn't work, it's apcray. Ever hear of load work-up?
If PC is a fad, then you'd better tell the folks that are producing smooth sided boolit molds that. Take a look at our new sponsor up on top, Hardline molds. The pic in their add is a slick sided 9mm RNFP, you'd have to click on that add to find out, but it could also be a 45. Point is; a new mold company would not produce slick sided molds for a fad, but to respond to us PC'ers because we don't need no confounded lube grooves no more.
I showed some of my PD'Dd boolits to a couple of my gun club members 'round-a-about 4 months ago. I get a call from a long time old friend that I grew up with pertaining to reloading, shooting, guns. When he saw those 9mm's in nickle cases, he said they looked like his mom's old lipstick tubes. HF red, well it DID look like it. He then laughed, said it was just a fad. When he called, he asked if there was any chance I had anything in .510 diameter???¿ Well yes I do, an experiment I did with saboted shotshell loads, where I reamed out a Lee 440 .501 mold to .510 to fit in a sabot. Result was a .510 smooth sided at about 487 grains. He had just bought a wildcat rifle based on the 460 Weatherby necked out and shortened to hold .510 bullets. Bullets for it are uber-costly,, 3 bucks apiece? I coated some I had cast with wet-black from powder-by-the-pound, then sized them in a lee .510 push-through die. Incredible amount of force required!!
They shoot great! His last comment was "where can I get the stuff to do this, and how much does it cost?"
I started ESPC with a Harbor Freight gun and flat black. Loved it the first time out to the range. I was testing some .223 loads in an AR 15 using a Lyman 225-415 mold and got MOA at 100 yards with a red dot sight. I also had some 40 S&W loads (Lee 401-175) I wanted to run through my Glock 23. The groups at 25 yards were slightly smaller than lubed with White Label BAC. For a lark, I tried shooting at a 4" block of wood at 200 yards. It took me 4 rounds to get my hold over and then I was getting hits %75 of the time. That front sight is huge compared to such a teeny target!
I wanted to try the Craftsman style ESPC gun so I wouldn't need to drag out the compressor. The gun works great and so the other one is packed up. Then I switched from HF Flat Black to different colors from Prismatic Powders. Pink, Green, Gloss Black, Purple, and a few others to make a copper color. Good stuff. Well, I decided to try ASBBDT and the Prismatic Powders all work fantastic. I can really tumble and bake a lot of boolits in a hurry. I haven't used my Lyman 450 in several years now and have switched to Lee push through sizing dies. I think I'm spending about the same amount of time lubing and sizing as before but I enjoy it. PCd boolits are the way to go for me.
Viewed thru beer goggles????????[smilie=s:
HA....ha.
I saw a slight increase in accuracy in the XD with PC.