Still didn't say anything directly about 30-30. 🙁
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Here is a 30-30 load I like
5.5 grains 170 RNFP around 1050 fps and accurate
What a fun load to shoot
I'm the odd man out. Never used and never bought any Red Dot. I do use Green Dot. It's an under utilized pistol powder. Plenty of loads listed in older manuals. Alliant powder availability has always been horrible around here so it's one of the main reasons I never bothered to try it.
"Whay" = what/why. What: everything. Why: because it works in everything. :mrgreen:
This is why I asked, any more?
Nope. :)
I use Red Dot in just about everything, rifle & pistol. Ed Harris' article in the military rifle section helped me immensely. 13 grains with the RCBS 165 SIL is the cat's meow in my 1903 Springfield(30-06), as is 18.5 grains of 2400. It's more flexible than I had ever imagined, and I use a lot of it.
45 ACP. It is almost ideal there, with the charges used being just large enough to meter decently through my Pro Auto Disk measures without throwing squibs, which is a problem with smaller charges for smaller calibers.
Good bulk prevents double charges and capable of producing standard velocities to a bit above. Permissible book charges produce up to 910 fps or so in a five inch with 230 grain bullets and target to 1000 fps levels with 200 SWC's. Leaves little soot. I prefer 820-850 fps with lead 230s, 900+ fps with "full power" 200s and 800 fps with practice and target 200s. This lower charge still cycles 1911s with small radius FP stops equipped with 16 lb recoil and 23 lb mainsprings and my stiffly sprung 45 Shield and P97.
And 12 gauge shotshell from 7/8 to 1 1/8 ounce of course.
45, 9mm and 38 spl
Guess I forgot to mention shotshells also. I am running 21 grains of Red Dot below a TP 15 wad from BPI and 9 .30 caliber #1 buckshot from a sharpshooter mold. Those 9 self stack, then a dipper of corn meal filler/buffer, an overshot card punched from Lactaid milk jug, and a solid crimp. Overshot keeps the buffer from leaking and without it the crimp was a smidge too low.
Only takes a few minutes to punch out enough circles for a box of buckshot with a punch, a 4x4 on end and a big rubber mallet.
It is more of a lighter tactical buckshot load not a heavy hitting 00 with Longshot or bluedot. But I had issues getting 9 00 buck to work well with the wads I have.
Those are loaded in new Fiocchi clear hulls that were a dime ea, primed. Cheaper than buying used hulls IMO. Birdshot I mostly put up in Rio Blue hulls also primed that at the time were 9 cents each, 9 $ per bag of 100. I admit I stocked up a few.
Red Dot is my target load in a Nagant revolver with trimmed 32-20 cases (1.25") after they've been run through Lee's "Nagant" dies. 2.1 grains under Hornady's 90 grain LSWC seated down to the shoulder on the boolit gives best accuracy from my 1944 Nagant with recoil and report like a 22LR. No other powder/boolit combo I've tried equals this one for accuracy in my particular handgun.
I used it in 25-06 with a Lyman 90 gr Fpgc for a time.
I have used Red Dot for target shotshells for years before Alliant powders became all but unobtainable so I switched to 700x and have not looked back. RD is a good powder in handgun loads and I still have some that I use it in but now my shotguns burn 700x. I also have used and like Red Dot's cheaper brother Promo as it cannot be beat for the lowest cost per round. I mostly use Unique for my cast bullet rifle rounds.
12 gauge 1 1/8 oz; 20 gauge 7/8 oz, All straight walled rimmed cartridge with RB or lightest weight bullets for plinking, pests.
I like Ed Harris' "The Load" but I have another one: 9 grains of Red Dot with standard weight for caliber cast boolits in anything larger than .30-30. Actually it works in .30-30 but only with boolits 155 grains or less.
4.2 gr of Red Dot and H&G 68 gives me 2" groups at 50 yards from sandbags with my Les Baer Bullseye model. I see no reason to switch! I use 3.7 gr for my Timed and Rapid fire loads.
For pure accuracy in a 44 special, try a 429-383 over 4.5 grains of red dot. I have not found a more accurate combination, at least at 50 yards or less.
Because I can.
Because it is easy on my wallet.
Because it lets me punch paper for pennys.
Because it is easy on my shoulder.
Because I like the smell of burned Red Dot in the morning.
Because I have enough of it I don't have to worry about running out any time soon.
And because I can.
Here is a good read for your question on 30-30 and Red Dot
http://www.gmdr.com/lever/lowveldata.htm
http://www.gmdr.com/lever/lowveldata.htm
I loaded 3.2gr of Red Dot in 9mm shooting a NOE Ranch Dog 357-135 in my Beretta PX4 Storm full size, what a sweet shooting load and accurate to boot! Got a feeling my next jug of powder might just be Red Dot.
Dang, this site encourages my trips down the rabbit hole! My latest after perusing this thread is to try Red dot in sub sonic loads for a .308 bolt gun. The particulars are;
20" Remy. 700, 1:12 twist
LC brass
fed 210
194gr cb ( wheel weights, Lee 200r,powder coated, sized .309)
6.8 gr. Red dot = 1062 fps. @ 85*
Load has passed stability test, now on to accuracy testing.
I use Red Dot for a little bit of everything. It does well in 9mm and 45ACP. It's great for cast bullets in old military calibers too. It's not my favorite powder for everything, but I could always find some back during the last shortage.
I load all pistol calibers with Promo as I have a bunch of it.
9mm,
38/357
45acp
45LC
Red Dot in 12 gauge #7.5 shot, 44 Mag, 357 Mag and 45 LC and just about anything else when powder supplies dry up. Powder is easy to find at the moment and so I'm using other powders mostly. Hoarding my R.D., Green Dot and Unique for future bad times. Still have a hoard of SR7625 saved for 16 gauge too.
I use 13 grains ("The Load") for 250 cast bullets in .338 Win Mag.
Used to load thousands of Peters Blue Magic and Win AA with it in 12 ga target loads, 45 ACP and 38 special too, not so much anymore, have used it in cast bullet rifle loads but that too has slowed, don't really know why though. Too many powders and too much spearmintin' left to do! :-) you could do worse than RD, I'll have to dig some Hercules manufactured out, thanks! :-)
Because of this thread I am playing with Red Dot in my 44 mag. using 6 gr. under a 240 gr. SWC. Nice target load. Easy to handle and can shoot it all day.
Was the Only powder I could find during last shortage. I was just learning and used in my 9mm loads. Works well, I've used other powder now but red dot does work well, and probably cheaper than any other powder
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.308 Win (with 20" barrel)
50 yds
13.0 gr Red Dot
Ideal SC 311466 0.311" 2.595" oal
10 shots
Yes, I am bragging.
Hollywood Marines do it in meters!
500 meters! (Thats 547 yds to you.)
:drinks:
Semper fi!
No, I have not. Yet. In Lyman #3 the velocity from Lyman's 26" barrel was 1730 fps and they list 13.0 grs as the max load. Their coal was 2.525" which is 0.070" shorter than mine so I am probably getting less pressure. That along with my 20" barrel is probably producing about 1550-1600 fps I would think.
Ickisrulz
Any velocity info on that 338 Mag loading?
Anyone out there try the magic 13.0 Red Dot in a 7mm mag?