We can't even buy ammo from Midway or Cabelas anymore. We have buy it from a locked retail cabinet and have it escorted to the register and pay a high price for it before it is handed over to us.
We can't even buy ammo from Midway or Cabelas anymore. We have buy it from a locked retail cabinet and have it escorted to the register and pay a high price for it before it is handed over to us.
I can see why a young person might be less inclined to hunt. My 16 yo daughter enjoys hunting but takes an endless level of **** from students and teachers at school... for what? 1)kids should not have access to guns, 2)why kill and eat a cute furry animal and 3)your parents are idiots (and other names) for allowing you access to guns. One of her teachers cornered me at the school and told me how bad a parent I am because I taught her to shoot pistols and "automatic" weapons. She did not even get that part right. But, was willing to imply that she would report me to DCFS because I allow my kids exposure to weapons!
I suppose it's getting harder to keep blaming the hunters for all the environmental problems blamed on the hunters over the years when there are so few left .
The fire bans have been relaxed since the 1960s. I can't read the minds of the prog/lib zealots that foist arms restrictions upon the law-abiding, because I lack the telling advantage of a delusional mindset that makes such pretzel logic viable. Prog/lib mindsets are basically that of control freaks--everything not made mandatory is automatically prohibited. It is mental illness. Politics is humanitiy's ball and chain--Edward Abbey.
We get that.
We live here. That is all. We don't advocate for the BakerSamuel arms restrictions any more than you do. I own and enjoy new-pattern rifles to the extent allowed by CA law. I have a really uncomfortable question for NRA and the balance of the other less-restrictive states and their residents--if you feel so strongly about CA's sustained pattern of civil rights violations against gun owners, if you fear that our idiot-wind legislation will spread to your vicinity, why don't you GET OFF YOUR DYING ASPIRATIONS and insist upon sanctions against CA state governments like those that resulted in the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965? NRA and gun owners in other states talk a good game, but they don't do JACK. 12% of NRA members are Californians--1 in 8. Do Californians get 1/8 of NRA's lobbying power? Do they derive 1/8 of NRA's benefits? HARDLY. All NRA does is take our money and besiege its members with solicitations for more money that won't get spent defending our civil rights. NRA has done a great job keeping the gun rights of tidewater Virginia in order--where most of NRA brass lives and works. When--and if ever--NRA notches a win in California that CRPA didn't already do the legwork on, I will give credit where credit is due. And not until then. In the meantime, I hope NRA doesn't hyper-extend an elbow patting itself on the back. Stop being such NIMBYs, and be genuine American patriots.
I found that the Walmart store in Yreka, Ca. in the far north end of the state near the Oregon border has zero firearms. It had zero metallic ammo that I can remember. It did have some steel shot water fowl loads but that was about all so I have to disagree with you based on what I have actually seen there. That area is about as far as you can get from San Francisco and I could find no active gun shops.
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That is scary indeed. "Common sense" gun control - huh?Quote:
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And this 'proves' exactly what? If Wal-Mart is a base line of assessment for any consumer goods of any type, we are in real trouble.Quote:
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Ça. is only doing it for the revenue. And maybe to find out who has guns. Otherwise it’s a really great idea to get youth involved. I hope it turns out positive for us, who believe in having guns.
9.3X62AL,
Hell, I did not mean to set ya off. I am not even quoting the post ya made, after I asked ya to elaborate.
I thought it was a pretty good question. As far as I understand, CA is one of the "headliners" for "infringing" on the 2A. Not only in regard to firearms, but ammunition as well.
If they are not, as I understood your earlier post to mean, all I asked was to learn more from your point of view.
Don't be "blowing a gasket" on us, please. Forget about it.... Not worth a trip to the ER.
I , among others, kind of like most of the folks who hang around here.
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You didn't set me off, JB. Gaskets are intact, and compression ratio is unchanged. My text was just the genuine expressions of a firearms hobbyist in enemy country. I don't imagine that East Berliners would taken too kindly to being talked down to by residents of the American, British, or French sectors of the city during the Soviet era, either.
I'll disagree with that....they very much do, and eventually will if Californians continue to accept the 'steps' toward their end goal.Quote:
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And I accept your criticism of me, from afar, as valid. But...I worked in San Bernardino for five years, and have a brother in Big Bear. I might be 3,000 miles away today, but that's on purpose.
Walmart can't sell guns because they won't hire people that are smart enough to follow state and federal laws. They gave up their FFLs in CA because employees were not following the law. They didn't think it was necessary that friends and neighbors endure 10 day wait periods. This happened about 15-20 years ago.
California bashing is fun, isn’t it?
As yet I have seen no proposals to ban bolt action rifles being put forth in California. That doesn’t mean that there aren’t plenty of people who would welcome it (as there are in even the deep red southern states) but they don’t have any traction.
This thread sounds like it’s headed to the pit.
Gotcha. Don't let the small stuff get at ya, though. Not worth the time.Quote:
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Really? My long time Vietnam squad buddy can't even own a BB gun where he lives in San Diego and we want to believe a Californian of what he says about it? Not me. From thousands of miles away," California,wake up"!
I think the headline of that article is a little misleading. The California Department of Fish and Wildlife certainly wants to promote hunting, as that's where their bread and butter is. They're certainly the most informed bunch in the state government as far as what it's all about, and the DFW cops I've met in the field really ARE about checking poachers and helping those who color inside the lines fill their tags.
Now for the REST of the state. . .I've been a firearms professional in one way or another since 1992 and have been front and center for the the following:
We restrict autoloading rifles on how they look
We restrict magazines on what they hold
We restrict handguns based on how many impediments to making it fire can be installed by the manufacturer. We have three kinds of autoloading pistols here: a declining number of grandfathered pistols that were on the State's "Safe Handgun" roster before the feature requirements got stupid; pistols that have magazine cutoffs, key locks, high visibility LCI's, and a manual safety - even if they have a DAO trigger; and the used, secondhand market, which can often command a premium if it's a desirable, non-roster gun.
Anything NFA is restricted to LE agency purchase only, or to movie industry rental houses that can afford the staggering permit fees.
We've been restricting ammo to pay-at-the-register sales, and are about to start restricting ammo with background checks and fees to do them.
The CCW process is lengthy, costly, and requires a renewal every two years, vs. minimal costs, no hassle and a 5-7 year renewal in much of Free America. Whether it goes anywhere or not remains to be seen, but I hear one of our state congresscritters is trying to mandate carrying a multi-million dollar insurance policy with your CCW. . .while at the same time we seem unwilling to keep felons in jail until they are caught with AT LEAST five murdered bodies in their freezer.
And as of this year, they'll probably fine you if you use a lead pellet to shoot a grasshopper off the tomatoes in your back yard. I've been using Barnes copper bullets on deer, and they work great, but the expense and hassle of them to anyone who casually hunts and isn't clearly understanding of zero changes will drive them out of the sport. A lot of old shotguns have barrels you do NOT want to shoot steel through, and that or the tin/bismuth option is going to hit your wallet HARD if you go where the dove are thick. Hunting with cast in your old, odd-bore-diameter black powder single shot? I'm looking into the emerging system that might allow us to hunt with tin/bismuth alloys after we send in a picture of our bullet. How that flies with spot checks in the field will remain to be seen.
So yeah, there are branches of the state government tasked with enforcing all of this horse**** that draw their paychecks from its various fees, and they are probably scratching their heads at their declining budgets as more and more Californians decide not to play, or decide to play elsewhere. The state government at large, however, probably couldn't be happier. It is unquestionably a cultural war in which the undesirables are being driven out, driven underground, and not creating future generations who participate.
If you want to get an inkling for what it might have felt like to be gay, Jewish, and black on the streets of Berlin in 1937, try being a law-abiding gun owner in California.
Let`s all get negative !!!
The people that run the CDF&W are a far cry from the legislators in Sacramento that come from the big cities.
I`m quite surprised that so few of you can see the good in this....dale
Tinhorn, 90% of Texas is private property (and we like it that way). My Brother in law and wife live near Redlands on the way up the hill to Big Bear. Beautiful country. First visit I wanted to hike up the mountain, was told not without a permit. And so it goes. Can you go to the gun store today and carry out your newly purchased handgun? I doubt it. Can you burn a fallen tree or brush to eliminate wildfire fuel? Doubt it. I can't take inherited guns to him without risking arrest. And you don't care if ARs/ AKs are banned because it doesn't affect you? Sounds a little elitist.I've met lots of conservatives out there; love to visit; but no- I wouldn't live there. BTW-B&SIL are looking to move to N Arizona. They've had their fill of it after 28 years. It reminds me of New York State; the cities get to decide for the state how things will be. And those who own guns and vote Donkey are the worst kind of idiot!
When Texas joined the Union, it gave up all the land North and West of what it's border is now,Quote:
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that used to be about a third of N. America, next door to the Louisiana Purchase.
The condition was that the federal govt. couldn't own any land inside the new border. It does now, but not much.
In the old days, the govt. commonly/partially paid people with land grants.
With almost everything being privately held now, state or federal land for public hunting is a little scarce.
I wouldlike to know where in San Diego that you can't buy a BB gun. I can see cities limiting where you can shoot a BB gun but can't buy one? Even our new governor is not that crazy,yet.