Looking for a cast bullet for my .45acp. Does anyone have any experience with the following bullets in a 1911 (lubed are Lyman)
Lyman 452664 mold 250 gr RF nose bevel base (.452)
Lyman 452423 mold 250 grain short nosed Keith.
Lee 452-255 RF
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Looking for a cast bullet for my .45acp. Does anyone have any experience with the following bullets in a 1911 (lubed are Lyman)
Lyman 452664 mold 250 gr RF nose bevel base (.452)
Lyman 452423 mold 250 grain short nosed Keith.
Lee 452-255 RF
No experience in a 1911 but I have used the top 2 for 45 Colt. I am sure some here on castboolits has used these heavy bullets in a 1911, but I normally stick to "designed weights" (225, 230 gr. cast in my 45 ACPs)...
Those are for 45 Long Colt. A 200 grain H&G .452 style is the most popular. 45 acp has no crimp groove.
I've used projectiles similar to BOTH in .45 ACP, but I was working up a load to shoot bowling pins (they WORKED!). Unless you just WANT to use heavy-for-caliber projectiles, I'd stick to 200 gr. - 230 gr. bullets.
When working up the 250/255 gr. projectiles, I started with a charge weight that I did not expect to operate the slide, then worked up by 0.1 gr. until I obtained reliable function. Once there, if I was not at max., I increased by another 0.1 gr. to assure reliable function. If memory serves, the 250 gr. RNFP was slightly more reliable in terms of feeding.
I must emphasize that I was NOT trying to obtain any particular velocity, just reliable function. At any likely velocity, the 250+ gr. projectiles had sufficient momentum to send the bowling pins off the plywood.
None of the above. H&G #34 or #68 which will save you 30 gr. of alloy. Same contact points when feeding in a 1911.
The 68bb H&G has served me well, Never had a problem. Bullseye @ 5 grains.
I use HG 68 (200 grain swc) and the Lee 230 grain TC. I think the former is more accurate, but the TC will feed even in guns that are finicky.
Lee 452-200-RF with Ben's tumble lube
The 2 Lyman bullets work well for me in the long colt. I have not tried them in the 1911. I did try the Lee bullet in the 1911 but could never get it to feed reliably in mine. It also worked well in the long colt.
Thanks for the reply's
H&G 68 got em all beat in all my 1911's. Accurate & reliable.
Lyman #452488 - 3.5grs Bullseye (13lb spring) Most accurate .
RCBS #45-201-KT - 5.5grs Bullseye (flatbase H&G 68 clone)
Lyman #452374 - 5.0grs Bullseye
Lee #452-230-TC " " " "
Lyman #452423 - 4.5grs Bullseye
I don't shoot the #452423 in .45ACP much anymore, just the #452488 for paper punching in throated Colt Gov't & Gold Cup and the Lee #452-230-TC. I cast the Lee bullet for Cowboy Shooting, so I have lots. The #452423 is fantastic for paper punching in the .45Colt.
I have several molds for my 1911's, but he two that I use most are MP clones for H&G #68 and #34 as mentioned above in a post by jsizemore. Weight is 200 and 225 grains with my alloy. Both feed very smooth, and accuracy is outstanding.
NOE has an H&G clone labeled 454-237-RN-AC4. Great bullet, sized .452 works great in all my 45 autos
I did a lot of NRA Bullseye Match and the boolit of choice for punching holes in paper was the 200 gr. SWC Lyman # 452460 in 45 ACP . with this boolit and 5.2 grains Unique and my AMT Hardballer , I won a First Place trophy in a 45 Match .
It may be old design but it is still a good boolit for the 45 acp with several powders .
Gary
Lyman 452460 200 gr swc.
I regularly load the Lyman 452664BV in M1911s and a Charter Arms Pitbull. Mine is a 4 gang mould that casts a lot of very good boolits quickly without any fuss. Nothing blows up and the sky doesn't fall, as long as you take it easy. I found 4.5 gr Unique operates the M1911s reliably and proves to be very mild and accurate. 5.2 Unique, produces 811 fps, but I usually settle on an even 5.0 for about 762-790 fps in the M1911 and 660-700 in the 2.5" Pittbull.
I've also used Bullseye, Power Pistol, Titegroup and Blue Dot, but (so far) haven't gotten results any better than the mild Unique loads.
About 1975 I was trying to set my Lyman 55 to drop 5.0 grs. of Unique for 45 acp loads ... but somehow it ended dropping 5.2 grs . and in the 45 acp the load worked so well ... I just left it there . Accurate and 100% functioning .
I'm sure 5.0 grs. would work just as well ... my 5.2 gr. load was just a fluke !
Gary.. That measure is still set to drop 5.2 grs. Unique to this day !
The 4.5/Unique/255 gr. LSWC sounds familiar, but I think I used more like 4.3/Unique. I think I used more like 4.7-5.0/Herco/255 gr. LSWC. This was in the days before chronographs, but I'd estimate velocities at 700 + 25 f/s by the time I obtained reliable slide function. Accuracy was QUITE good, BTW.
The 5.0/Unique/250 gr. RNFP load that MUSKEG13 mentions sounds like a duplicate of the old .455 Webley round, and I'd expect it to be no less effective if used on "two-legged vermin".