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I have 4 1911's in various configurations. 2 of them have a very abrupt transition from chamber to barrel with barely tapered rifling , they both lead a bunch at that point.
Does anyone rent these reamers? I hate to buy a new one for 2 guns.
We do not have a local smith anymore that I would want to touch the guns, so considering doing it myself.
Thanks Matt
Check with 4-D
http://www.4-dproducts.com/
406-752-2520
Reamers@4-dproducts.com
I would be glad to throat your barrels, I charge $20 per barrel plus insured return shipping. The work is fast and professionally done, I have all the correct reamers and pilots.
+10 for DougGuys work !!!
Here`s an example of his work on 1 of my GPs throat.
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/show...rs-amp-Throats
FWIW;
Dave Masons throating reamers are only like $40.ea brand new.
Might want to be a little more specific. $40 is for a solid nose throating reamer that will NOT give you the precision fit of a piloted reamer which will triple your investment. I use Dave Manson's reamers every day, deal with those guys on a weekly basis, they are the best tooling you will find for this kind of work but you don't go and buy the cheapest reamer you can find and expect to have stellar results from it, even if it is a Manson reamer.Quote:
Originally Posted by yovinny
LOL,,,Sorry,,,Did I step on you'r moment ?
Yes, thats $40. for a solid pilot throater.
Identical to the solid pilot chamber reamers used to cut 99+% of the chambers out there.
If you want something better on a custom chambered barrel, by all means, spend more and go for a better sized live pilot.
But no matter how much BS or lipstick you put on a factory chamber,,,, you'll still have a factory chamber.
Cheers, YV
I cannot speak for all manufactures but Winchester, Browning and Remington do not use solid pilot chamber reamers. Winchester developed the USR oil groove bushings. They are longer than standard bushings with oil grooves for through the spindle cutting oil. I have heard this is now the industry standard.Quote:
Originally Posted by yovinny
For the custom smiths dealing with accuracy very few would consider using solid pilot reamers.
Thats interesting,,,I may well be wrong and dating myself now.Quote:
Originally Posted by M-Tecs
Happen to have any link/info/advertisement/mention/etc. of bushing reamers used at any factory manufacturing ?
I would think if a manufacturer turned to a more expensive 'custom' technique, they would be hot to get the word out and advertise the fact ?
AFAIK, Remington uses carbide solid pilot chamber reamers.
Maybe they use bushing ones too, but solid pilot carbide is what they regularly send to scrap by the hopper load....
I'll mail my carbide dealer buddy and see if he can send me some pics to post.
Cheers, YV
Hehe nahh it's all good.. Almost funny though, you won't believe how many ppl look at that solid pilot reamer and think of all the money they will save, and then it's like chunking it in a GI garbage can when you put one in a cylinder throat because it rattles around like a bb in a oil drum. One guy on the ruger.net forum thought he would save $20 over my costs of doing two cylinders so he bought one of the $55 reamers and totally ruined two cylinders with it, and then posted his after photos, he was all happy and proud of himself until I pointed out that 4 of the 6 throats had an "eyebrow" of the old throat left after cutting the new throat, so he got off center pretty bad. I felt sorry for the guy but what can I say.Quote:
Originally Posted by yovinny
I guess the OP has about abandoned this thread..
Call Dave Kiff at PTG and see how many manufactures he makes or made reamers for with removable pilot bushings. PTG now calls them external oil groove bushing but when I first started using carbide reamers in the mid 90's they were called USR bushings. The USR was for US Repeating Arms (Winchester).Quote:
Originally Posted by yovinny
External oil groove bushings http://shop.pacifictoolandgauge.com/...ex&cPath=3_385
You haven't chambered very many barrels have you? How does using a removable pilot bushing equal "custom"?Quote:
Originally Posted by yovinny
Looking forward to seeing the pics. I used to work for a company that built custom tooling and inspection equipment. We did some stuff for both US Repeating Arms and Remington. At the time both were using removable pilot bushings on carbide reamers.Quote:
Originally Posted by yovinny
The bushings are HSS and would be removed before scraping the carbide. The oil groove allows for better chip removal under production speeds. Same for using spiral fluted carbide.
I use carbide because it cuts smoother throats.
I understand what your saying, but the OP was wanting to throat a couple of 1911 barrels for lead. Since that involves minimal material removal and he was wanting to 'rent' a reamer, I told him to just buy one for $40. Nobody ever said a thing about any revolvers or cylinder throats.Quote:
Originally Posted by DougGuy
I stand corrected then, your the expert.Quote:
Originally Posted by M-Tecs
My buddy dosent have any reamers in now and while they sure looked like solid pilots, I didn't measure any and it's possible they could have already had the pilots removed.
Since it was earlier inferred that live pilots were a better fit than solid pilots, and regular live pilots are ground to the same size as solid pilots, I assumed he was talking about using custom sized live pilots sets...
That is, sets with bushings every .0002" so they can be matched exactly to bore size...Something that would never happen on a production level and hence my use of the term 'custom'. Guess I got your remarks mixed up with his.
Standard clearance size live pilots would be just that, a standard item with the same clearance and spec as solid pilot, just safer on the bore.
But to cut to the chase and get back to the original issue, If your saying that there would be any difference at all between somebody hand turning a reamer to lengthening a throat with identical size live or solid pilots, then I'll just agree to completely disagree.
Lots of very fine barrels have been chambered with solid pilot reamers over the years and lots of throats have been lengthened with them too...Live pilots might be safer from damaging the bore, but their no magic fix or a reason for producing a 'better' chamber or throat.
I'd sooner do my own with solid pilot reamers, then some of the 'gunsmiths' I've known,,even if they owned custom sized bushing sets.
Cheers, YV
I've used the Manson 40$ reamer on a couple 45's. It worked just dandy. Now they will all feed the same ammo and the one that didn't have a throat doesn't lead anymore because it now has a gentle throat entrance.
Use good oil, Go slow, don't turn it backward, and check fit.
Hard stainless takes some time to ream. Regular steel reams quick so don't over do it.
Well, a 1911 local smith took care of my 2 guns in question when I showed him the chambers. Thanks for the input, may need it again!