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I recently bought a box of Hunters Supply 193 grain FP-SC (Slick Coat) bullets to try in my Marlin 336 xlr. I have not been able to find any reload data, don’t know where to start. I may start with a mouse load of Unique, but would like to push these to 200 yards for silhouette matches. Anybody using these, or finding reloading data?
I’m not familiar with that bullet but I know there is data for reloading 303 savage bullets in 30-30. They were 190 grains best I recall. Old timers used them for better terminal ballistics on elk and other large game. I know that there is info is Fadalas book winchesters 30-30 model 94. I do not have a copy of the book currently to offer the data though.
Thank you! I will look in that direction.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bazoo
Just use a mid load (like hodgdon 175gr) as a start. I run a 185GC, works fine.
I don't have a dog in the fight, but just wondering how that weight and length of bullet keeps from keyholing at the low velocities?
In the Lyman 3rd Edition, Frank Marshal describes his deer hunting .30-30 load using the Lyman 311284 bullet (nominally 210 grains, mine always drop 220+) with basically a case load of IMR 4350 from a Savage 340 with a 1 in 12" twist and getting good accuracy with it. Your Marlin is likely as strong as a 340. Read the article starting on page 91 here; http://marvinstuart.com/firearm/Manu...-%20Reduce.pdf
You may have a problem getting those long boolits to cycle through a Marlin levergun. I experimented with some PC'd Arsenal 309-188GCs (195 gr from my alloy) in my Savage 30-30 bolt action and, even seated to just below the long bore-rider nose, I had to single-feed them because they would they were too long to fit in the mag. I'd have to go back and look up the load data but it seems to me I tried moderate charges of both 3031 and 4198 but due to the feed issue, I went back to good ol' Lyman 311041s (176 gr. from my alloy) and 3031.
Bill
There’s a Fouling Shot article on this subject by Marshall, which I believe is this article but expanded with a little bit more information. Why I bring this up is Frank goes on to mention the NEI bullet 220 309 GC which is a very blunt RN design that Frank wanted to try in the 30-30 because it would not need to be doctored as compared to the Lyman 311284.Quote:
Originally Posted by richhodg66
I don’t have the Lyman mold but I have the NEI 2 cavity mold. My interest are in heavy cast bullets in most calibers especially the 30-30. The RCBS 311 180 which weighs in at 195 grains with COWW. But the NEI weights in at 224 and loaded and crimped over the front drive band my dummies will cycle through my Savage 99.
I haven’t loaded any yet because of time constraints, but looking forward to trying this one out not only in the Savage but trying it in a Winchester 94, which I haven’t tried to cycle yet.
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The NEI 309 220, 2- Arsenal 175’s, the RCBS 311-180, and the Lyman 311-041
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Another bullet I like a lot is the Seaco 315, Accurate makes a clone which is a tapered bullet and functions in any 30-30 powder coated or conventional lubes.
If there is no data for the bullet you want to load , use data that is close to the weight and work up your load .As for OAL need to find that in your gun with a dummy round . That is what works for me .
I can provide data for the RCBS 30-180-fn if you need.
The NOE 200 grain solid is a pretty nice bullet in the 30WCF. The cup nose and hollow point version is what I carry in my model 64 standard chamber and one in Ackley improved.
Put five finishers in a huge hog. They were hollow point and cup nose loaded with LVR. All exited and the track fell over. My standard chamber load is actually as little faster than the Ackley because I load for accuracy. Both of them are over 2150. Cases measuring with a micrometer is how I determine the loads. When the case measures .421 thats as far as I go pressure wise.
I wander the hills with a 30/30 more than any other rifle.
In .30-30 and .303 Savage I shoot a 190 grain FN, from a custom mold Sid Musselman (long ago mover and shaker in CBA) had made up by Saeco. He sold me the mold 40+ years ago shortly before he passed, and said with a grin "you'll like it." He was right. It pops bullets out right at .310 base and .300 nose with COWW+tin alloy, which matches throat and bore diameters in the couple rifles I shoot it out of.
In the Winchester M54 .30-30 24" barrel, my standard load of 28.0 grains 3031 bats out 2033fps average velocity. The same powder charge yields a bit less out of a 20" Savage M1899 barrel, 1900fps. Sub-MOA out of the M54 (with 10x Unertl in place), sub-2MOA out of the Savage carbine with its tang sight. Been killing deer with those rifles, that bullet, and that load for a looooong time.
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The Lyman 45th Edition (1970) has 30-30 load info for the Winchester 190gr Silver Tip (303 Savage bullet). Test rifle was 26" Universal receiver 1-12" twist at the std 2.55" OAL . Accuracy load was 30.0gr IMR 4350 at 1791fps 29400 cup which was the starting load. The max IMR 4350 load was 33.0gr 1955fps 36000cup which was also the factory duplication velocity load. Back then 26" was a common barrel length for a lot of factory load velocity testing.
A few other common 30-30 powders listed were:
IMR 3031 starting load 24.0gr 1731fps 28200cup, max 27.0gr 1978fps 39000cup
IMR 4895 starting load 24.0gr 1686fps 27000cup, max 27.0gr 1923fps 37300cup
IMR 4064 starting load 26.0gr 1776fps 30000cup, max 29.0gr 2013fps 39400cup
Similar but not the same but i am using, very successfully, 192 gr pointy lead bullets in my Lee Enfield no5 with 17 gr Vihtavouri N110. I had tried all sorts before and all were lighter including factory loads and none so accurate with consistent 2” groups at 100m. These are target loads and the light shooting makes for pleasant shooting. They out shoot the factory stuff and are a sight cheaper.
I appreciate you would not want to stack these in a lever gun like yours but my data may be of use.
I have almost a box left of those 190 gr STs for use in my 30-30 with 24" barrel. With LeveRevolution powder I get almost 200 fps more velocity at the same psi level.Quote:
Originally Posted by NEKVT
Disregard
That was pistol data
15” bbl
http://www.castbullet.com/shooting/heart.htm
Article by an old member on 195 grain cast in a 30-30.
From GRT, for 185gr cast. Just the powders I have and use. Mine is heavier than 185 with GC. Sorry format doesn't look neat.
propellant mass load ratio pmax v0 E0 burnt eff. BT BLT recoil
grain % psi ft/s ft-lb % % ms ms ft-lb
Hodgdon H4227 (2020-04-30) 24.59 76.9 41439 2000.3 1643 100.0 36.0 1.3984 1.2666 11.77
IMR 3031 (2020-12-12) 30.00 87.3 36622 2012.0 1663 92.8 31.1 1.4669 1.3319 13.06
Hodgdon LeverEvolution 33.90 88.2 36639 2095.5 1804 89.8 27.8 1.4764 1.3288 15.03
Alliant Reloder 7 (2020-02-07) 26.13 79.9 36644 1949.6 1561 100.0 34.7 1.5158 1.3604 11.52
Hodgdon H335 (2020-12-12) 31.43 84.6 39390 2011.6 1662 88.9 29.1 1.4296 1.3023 13.33
IMR 4166 (2020-08-22) 32.03 96.8 40844 2012.1 1663 79.6 28.1 1.4011 1.2835 13.41
I shoot these with SR 4759 out of my Contender rifle barrel. They stabilize just fine. I shoot them out to 200 yards.Quote:
Originally Posted by richhodg66
that load should be a dandy