Need help with research for a long list of Buffalo cartridges...

Howdy yall! I am doing a research of the guns used for Buffalo and their cartridges. The guns seem to be fairly easy finding info for but the cartridges tend to be harder. I am primarily looking for a little history, load data, bullet options, brass conversion options, differences in the bottleneck vs. straight wall cartridges if cartridges share a cartridge & powder load, possibly modern smokeless loads for modern reference, and a little more understanding. Also, if there is a place to also gain more info as well, I am all ears! Here is the list of absurdity.

.40-50 Sharps Bottleneck (SBN)
.40-50 Sharps Straight (SS)
.40-65 Winchester
.40-70 SBN
.40-70 SS
.40-82 Shiloh (Is this a new cartridge or just as old as the rest?)
.40-90 SBN
.40-90 SS

.44-70 Remington
.44-90 Remington
.44-100 Remington
.44-77 SBN
.44-90 SBN

This a small section of cartridges I am studying so I will have more questions with a different list but it is better if I take this research in chunks. None the less, I appreciate everyone's input for this! Thank you so much in advance!

http://chuckhawks.com/buffalo_cartridges.htm

http://www.pbs.org/weta/thewest/reso...ve/buffalo.htm

Don't know if those cartridges are covered in the Cartridges of the World book, but the old one I have from the early 80's gives data on those. Another source is to find a reprint of the first Ideal loading handbook. I believe you can get that from Cornel publishing (Abby books)

it's extremely well covered in m-tecs' post link.

From what I've read, the list isn't that long. The professional hunters used the .50-70 and .44-77 to start, then .45-70, .40-90 bottleneck, and .50-90. The other cartridges were for target shooting and hunting of smaller game.

You might get a copy of Garbe and Venturino's SPG BPC Reloading Primer, which would give you some history and description of most of your cartridges, and the black powder loads for them.

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Originally Posted by Bent Ramrod

From what I've read, the list isn't that long. The professional hunters used the .50-70 and .44-77 to start, then .45-70, .40-90 bottleneck, and .50-90. The other cartridges were for target shooting and hunting of smaller game.

You might get a copy of Garbe and Venturino's SPG BPC Reloading Primer, which would give you some history and description of most of your cartridges, and the black powder loads for them.

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On the short list goes
45-120-550 -this is the 2-7/8" case

Getting a stand, is a book of acounts of buffalo hunters. Mike Venturino has a book shooting buffalo rifles that is good also.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...allace/BRb.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...Cartridges.jpg

interesting, but no projectiles correct for the job.
keep safe,
bruce.

The .40-80 bottleneck, not on your list probably because it was mostly a target cartridge long held the record for the tightest group at 1,000 yards. IIRC the record wasn't broken till the .25-06 was first used in competition.

Never heard of the 40-80 bn. What company made it, and who was the shooter that held that record?

And how tight was that group? Was it shot with BP?

thanks,

Chris.

I think there is a lot of nuance in setting "records"

Most touchdowns.

IN a game.
By a QB
in a season
on Monday night

and on and on......

40-80 BN maybe a typo? I never make typos:roll: .....right!

-you all have a great turkey day! And, take a kid shooting every chance you get!

Hope your day went well Mr. Wills, see you Saturday at Cody's place?

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I think there is a lot of nuance in setting "records"

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-you all have a great turkey day! And, take a kid shooting every chance you get!

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I think you are right about that one Michael. Have an excellent turkey day/weekend!.

Chris.

multigunner,
I would be interested to learn of the what, when, and where of both the groups shot at 1000 yds by the 40/80 bn and the 25/06.
could you please elaborate.
keep safe,
bruce.

The 44-90 goes in there too

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Originally Posted by Don McDowell

Hope your day went well Mr. Wills, see you Saturday at Cody's place?

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Yes, well fed and now full of apple pie. I hope yours was good too!
I'll be at Cody's unless the creeks rise between here and Cheyenne:drinks: See you there.

It was a great day. Doc and I will be there with our Ballards.