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Does anybody know for sure what target they use for pistol
qualification in basic training for USN?
A young friend has committed to join this fall, wants me to help
him train up so he can do well, have the course of fire, but
the target is not clear -- "B-21 or Transition Target II".
LOTS of versions of B-21, different scoring rings and numerical
values.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks.
Bill
Don't know what the swabbies are currently teaching, but this is the USMC Basic Pistol Marksmanship course:
http://www.marines.mil/Portals/59/Pu...rksmanship.pdf
Here is a related YouTube video which may also be helpful
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlNfKlyRgRI
See also:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...cdraft_ch4.pdf
https://www.google.com/#q=united+sta...qualifications
http://www.public.navy.mil/surfor/Do...ST_3591_1F.pdf
http://www.military.com/join-armed-f...on-course.htmlQuote:
The Navy Handgun Qualification Course isdesigned to be fired on a 15-yard range using the transitiontarget II or B-21 target. If a 10-yard mobile range is used,the transition target I is used in place of the transitiontarget II or B-21 target for the 15-yard sequences.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A87PnrIhkBwQuote:
M-9 QUALIFICATION COURSE
The standard Navy M-9 pistol qualification course has three phases, consistingof a total of 48 live rounds:
- From the 3-yard line: You fire a total of 12 rounds from the 3-yard line. With your strongest hand supported, you fire two rounds with a time limit of four seconds. You then holster your weapon and repeat the first firing sequence. You then repeat this process, except this time, you reload the additional six rounds and switch to your weak hand.
- From the 7-yard line: During this section, you fire a total of 12 rounds from the 7-yard line. The first three times, you fire the weapon two rounds, strong hand supported. Then you have ten seconds to fire two more rounds, reload, switch hands, and fire two more rounds. After holstering your weapon, you have eight seconds to draw and fire your last two rounds.
- From the 15-yard line: In this part, you fire a total of 24 rounds from the 15-yard line. Again, using your strong hand, you fire two rounds in four seconds, repeat, and then fire four rounds before holstering your weapon. You then move to the kneeling position, where you fire 4 rounds, reload 12 rounds, and then fire another 4 rounds before holstering your pistol. Finally, you have eight seconds to draw and fireyour remaining eight rounds.
In order to graduate from Navy recruit training, you must achieve a minimum score of 180 points. Each area of the human-shaped target is worth a certain number of points. Vital areas (such as chest and head) are worth more than areas such as legs and wrist.
https://firearmusernetwork.com/2012/...hip-standards/
http://www.warriortalk.com/showthrea...vy-M9-doctrine
Transitional Target 1
http://static6.businessinsider.com/i...t_practice.jpg
You want him to get good - start him off with transitional target 1 at 10 yards then move it back to 15 yard - smaller target better shooter.
Before I retired in 2004, I was a rangemaster. The course of fire then went back to 25 yards, but was basically what Artful posted; albeit with shorter times and more reloading.
We ordered targets from Caswell IIRC. The Basic B-21 is what you use if you want people to score well (larger target and scoring areas). The Transtar I and II are smaller overall with smaller scoring rings. I don't remember which, but one is definitely smaller for use in the mobile range trailers.
In all actuality, if your young friend wants to improve his marksmanship, a standard bullseye target is best.
Robert
just got to hit the paper! lol if he wants to earn a ribbon , then have him start shooting groups.
The Army's pistol qualification was a joke for years. There were 30 target presentations and it seems they gave you 40 rounds to do it. I honestly think you could have given me 30 baseballs and I could have knocked down enough to qualify expert.
The last couple of times I qualified at Fort Leavenworth, it was a much better test. Still made expert and it wasn't hard, but the course of fire required shooting from prone and other positions and had more required reload drills than before.
Transitional Target II might be this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by MtGun44
http://www.letargets.com/content/ltr...-target-ii.asp
Thanks guys. I have all the info on the course of fire, could not find the Transition Target II,
but I think Montana Charlie has it.
Also, buried in the OPNAV there is a mention of "using the K
scoring values" on the target. This fits a few of the versions of the B-21 which have both
a "D" and a "K" set of scoring values printed on the targets, so likely one of those B-21s
is what they are using if not the TTII that Montana Charlie located.
Yes, I think we will spend most of the time on basics, but I also want to push him on some of
the timed and weak hand transition portions of the training. Most folks NEVER shoot weak
handed, and that is a part of this course of fire, so he needs to have a little practice with it.
Thanks for the info.
Bill
With either of the targets, the highest scoring ring is five points. Makes sense, 48 Rounds, 240 points possible.
Have him aim for center mass, lots more room for error that way. We never really taught head shots, under the theory a persons head moves a lot more than their body; therefore it is easer to hit someone centermass than in the head.
I am glad to see them actually running a qual course in boot camp. Back in 1984 when I went to Great Mistakes, we got a four round fam fire with Colt Ace's.
Robert
i remember the ACE's lol. i think we got 5rnds lol what a waste of time.
When I worked at the police dept. the coppers told me that in the entire history of the agency no one had ever failed the academy or lost their job due to poor marksmanship. People who had trouble qualifying could take as many tries as they needed. If someone just couldn't get it done with everyone standing around, the training officer would clear the range of all personnel so the trainee could concentrate without distraction- meaning nobody was watching how close he or she was standing to the target when they qualified.;)
You should hope the pistol is up to the task. When I went through navy bootcamp in 1972, the 1911 given to me was a bit worn. I kept all on the B-21 target at like 10 yds. Barely. Once onboard ship (nuclear submarines), qual for nuclear weapons response group was basically "don't shoot anyone". We fired into the open ocean while making surface runs. Yeah. Pathetic.
Things sure have changed when I went through boot camp in 1964 just out of high school. Think they gave us some old mossbergs and some 22rf and that was it. Funny though the book I got when completing boot camp shows them using the M1 Garand. Never did shoot one. Did shoot a M14 on semi auto once on my ship. Gunnery Sargent was doing weapons familiarization with some officers out on the fantail while we were underway. I think probably few had any experience with it. They were shooting at a fog foam can which was red in color. He got kinda ticked off regarding their marksmanship. Calls me over and loads up 10 rounds and racks a round in the chamber with the safety on. Told me how to disengage the safety and fire after he chucked the next can over the side. Managed to hit it about 5 times out of ten shots. Gunny says if he can do it so can you. Then went back to reading my book. Frank