Originally Posted by
Elmer Fudd
It is brutal on both ends. Mine is 13" but the velocities are surprisingly high, higher than most of the listed speeds in JD Jones' data. Barrel was a 35 Rem converted by SSK. I am not the original buyer, so I know no more than that. It is based on the 444, just as the 309 is. It is fast enough to be notably more than the 35 Rem, but not quite a Whelen. The Rem bullets are a bit soft at muzzle speeds, but at distance, it's all the same for me, especially because I mostly shoot cast through it.