***WARNING for shaved or cut Webleys in .45 ACP/Auto Rim*****
This caution is directed at owners of .455 Webley revolvers - or any other revolver originally chambered in .455 for that matter - that have been converted in some manner to chamber and fire .45 ACP cartridges in moon clips (or .45 Auto Rim cartridges without moon clips)
You will likely have been told (or have read) that it is fine to shoot "factory" or "GI Spec" .45 ACP (or .45 Auto Rim) cartridges in your altered .455 revolver, and you may well already have put many such rounds through your revolver without mishap.
Please be aware that in the view of many who are familiar with these revolvers IT IS NOT SAFE TO FIRE SUCH ROUNDS.
Please consider these facts -
1. The operating pressure for the Mark VI Webley revolver (the last, and strongest, of the .455 Webley service revolvers) was a maximum of 13200PSI (i.e. six 'long tons' of 2200 lbs).
2. The standard operating pressure generated by milspec and full factory loads of .45 ACP ball ammunition is 19,000PSI.
3. The pressure of .45 ACP milspec and standard factory loads exceeds the proof load for the Mark VI Webley revolver.
4. The dimensions of the chamber throats on Webley service revolvers are a bit variable, but generally are smaller than bore diameter for some reason - but this system worked well with the original hollowbase bullet design, which was quite soft (20/1 lead/tin) and non-jacketed. These soft bullets swage down passing through the chamber throat (.... my own view is that this was intentional, to get the most out of the relatively small powder charge, and thus maximize the velocity produced ....) but then the base expands nicely to engage the rifling in the bore. However, the general consensus is that jacketed bullets (such as those loaded in most GI-spec .45ACP ammo) can work to dramatically increase the already excessive chamber pressure generated by such rounds.
5. Furthermore, the earlier models of .455 Webley service revolver were not as strong as the Mark VI. Indeed, the Mark I, Mark II and Mark III revolvers were in fact designed for black powder loads.
Although it cannot be denied that many .455 Webley revolvers have survived being subjected for a long time to standard .45 ACP ammunition, that is equivalent to having been fed a steady diet of proof loads. Simply put, it is a testament to the sturdiness of Webley service revolvers, but can hardly be considered either safe or advisable! It is best to handload these shaved Webleys with lead bullets in the .452-455" size range ad 230-270 grains in weight in either .45 ACP or .45 Auto-Rim cases downloaded to 620-710 fps. This is the only way to safely enjoy shooting a shaved Webley.
There is really no need...
for .455" bullets in the Webley revolvers. I shoot both a Mark IV and Mark VI which were altered for .45 Auto, and have measured a good many more - the chamber mouths are quite uniform at .450" - .451", while the groove diameters are no larger than .453". I do not believe there is any advantage to be gained by swaging-down an oversized bullet only to hope it will expand again to full groove diameter.
I use .45 AR brass, which works perfectly, and load the ammunition with commonly available moly-coated cast bullets of .452" diameter. Standard .45ACP dies are used in my Dillon 550.
The Mk VI shoots to point of aim at the customary 20 yards when loaded with a 255 grain bullet and 4.0 grains of Green Dot - MV is 620 FPS, equal to the original Mk 2 smokeless load.
The Mk IV prefers a standard 230 grain RN for proper elevation, with the same load of Green Dot - I have not yet chronographed this load, having only recently acquired the Mk IV, but it is surely safe.
There is no evidence of leading with these moly-coated bullets.
Both of these Webleys give outstanding accuracy with these loads, and I see no need to experiment with larger bullet diameters, though I have a quantity of 265 grain HB bullets of .455" diameter - neither do I need special dies.
The same loads could be used in .45ACP brass, with moon clips, but I really prefer the .45 AR brass in these revolvers.
mhb - Mike