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    09-17-2018, 08:03 PM
    I haven't seen Norinco's available for a while now but haven't look hard. Heard pros and cons on Norinco. Kind of appealing that they copy 870's so close parts interchange... as long as the quality is reasonable and guns dependable. For a bear gun...
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    09-16-2018, 11:44 AM
    I never quite figured the appeal of buck and ball loads. If you are close then plain 'ol buckshot is good. If you are farther then a double ball load or Tri-Ball load (Dixie Slugs style) makes sense. I'd rather have two 0.600" to 0.690" balls in...
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    09-16-2018, 11:29 AM
    Oh I know about light single shots. my main slug gun is an old Cooey single shot and it is light! I got tired of being hammered with recoil so hard when I shoot off the bench so made a raised cross stick type rest that sits on top of the shooting...
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    09-16-2018, 02:09 AM
    I'm with you there Gp! I don't currently have a handy packable bear gun though so there is one of two goals and that is to get a handy packable bear gun. The second is long range slug accuracy. I've struggled with smoothore long enough so I think...
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    09-15-2018, 08:12 PM
    Well, I gotta say... convincing arguments. I've been an 870 fan for a long time but am now leaning towards the Mossberg. Also thinking I should really go the two gun route using a knock about smoothbore for the bear protection and get a solid...
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    09-15-2018, 12:01 PM
    Maybe I should change my philosophy and reconsider two guns, one for knock around bear protection and one for accuracy. I do like side by's and I'm with Cap'n Morgan in that if a guy needs more than two shots its probably one too many to be of use....
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    09-14-2018, 08:07 PM
    Yup! John Browning had his fingers in a lot of designs that's for sure! I've looked at the 24" barrels but that is a bit on the long side, 18" to 20" is a good length in my mind. I'd like a rifled bull barrel in 20" with open sights on a good...
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    09-13-2018, 07:59 PM
    That is a beaut Randy! My BPS shares the same bottom load/eject features plus it has a selector to disengage the magazine feed so a guy can single load or dump a round from the chamber and replace with something else. It is a bit awkward but...
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    09-12-2018, 08:16 PM
    Well, I gotta say I am glad I started this thread! You guys are full of good info! I obviously picked the right crowd to ask. As for the bear protection bit, I agree totally, a rifled barrel is not required and round balls or sold nose hard cast...
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    09-11-2018, 06:06 PM
    Well, here's another question... do Remington 870 Express rifled barrels fit Remington 870 Wingmaster shotguns? I ask because a sporting goods shop in Ontario has a nice looking used Remginton 870 Wingmaster that could be in the running. And yet...
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    09-11-2018, 05:48 PM
    Okay then lots of responses and info to digest. Also, I wasn't clear enough in my post. My aim (no pun intended) is a knock around gun with bear protection in mind. The reason I mostly mention Remington 870 and Mossberg 500 (though as pointed out...
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    09-10-2018, 09:49 PM
    Pondering finally getting a rifled gun. Looking at the usual options being Remington 870 and Mossberg 500. I've read pros and cons on each and feel like it is a fairly even match so likely best price wins between the two and it may be a combo...
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    09-05-2018, 07:43 PM
    You might try donut wads to center the 0.690" RB rather than a patch. I haven't done if myself but there are posts about using donut wads and they seemingly can work well. That way no chopping the barrel. I've tried inverted gas seal but any I've...
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    08-28-2018, 10:54 PM
    Okay then here's what I have: Not as much reloading info as I thought I had in the Roy Dunlap article. There is a bit more in the Elgin Gates copies from Metallic Silhouette Shooting but again not a lot. At one point I was thinking...
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    08-28-2018, 07:59 PM
    I have an old article by Roy Dunlap IIRC about the 30 Apache which is 30-223. He listed several loads for "J" bullets that may be of use. PM me if you'd like a copy or I can post. Longbow
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    08-23-2018, 08:06 PM
    I've had the hot melt glue come out of very tapered HB cavities. If the slugs are pre-warmed it should stick better and if you do the sand paper roughening trick that should help. If you want to be really sure take gp's suggestion and drill and...
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    08-22-2018, 09:06 PM
    You'll get this beat. That is a good looking slug and no reason it shouldn't shoot well once you find what it and the gun like. If velocity spread is low and consistent the powder must be burning well enough. I like Blue Dot too. So far it is...
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    08-21-2018, 04:13 PM
    On second read. I note you are using 30 grs. of Blue Dot. Are you getting complete burning? I found that Blue Dot likes pressure or burn gets a bit erratic. Not sure just how much BD you should use with 765 gr. slug but if there is unburned powder...
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    08-21-2018, 04:00 PM
    Have you checked slug weight for consistency? I made a mould based on turbo1889's 10 ga. slug scaled to 12 ga. and I found that the near flat top on the HB pin would catch bubbles of air making for cavities on top or above the pin. Tilting the...
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    08-20-2018, 08:58 PM
    Is that HB pin removable from the Cramer sliders? If so then a piece of round bar would likely replace it with minimal machining... or get Eric to send you a flat topped blank like Miha does. Then you can cast a real solid. I'd try filling the...
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BP Bronze Point IMR Improved Military Rifle PTD Pointed
BR Bench Rest M Magnum RN Round Nose
BT Boat Tail PL Power-Lokt SP Soft Point
C Compressed Charge PR Primer SPCL Soft Point "Core-Lokt"
HP Hollow Point PSPCL Pointed Soft Point "Core Lokt" C.O.L. Cartridge Overall Length
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